SwampFoxx

I don’t understand why some UAL guys tell OAL pilots to keep quite. What happens with our contract will have a major impact on the rest of the industry and they have a right to voice their concerns. Everyone that has done so seems to be genuine and do it tactfully. I was even delighted to hear that OAL guys were expressing their concern to our guys who were jumpseating and over the radio. We’re all on the same team here even though we really hate looking up Delta’s tailpipe and hope to finally beat them in the earnings report come Monday.

Vernon Demerest

I happily voted NO over a week ago. I personally wish the vote results would be published so everyone could see how United our pilot group really is against this but this one poster seems overly invested in bashing everything our MEC has done. Enough already. I’ve never posted on another airline’s board like this as I personally think it is rude to do so at the level and intensity of some lately.

hummingbear

Definitely feels like amateur hour. I personally would have liked to see the vote close with a huge no result, but in the end, the outcome is not all that different. Everyone by this point- including management- seems to know this thing is headed for the dumpster & that they need to do better. (And for those saying they’re just aiming for 50%+1, that’s all management ever aims for.) So while I would have preferred the results to be publicized, it seems the message has definitely been received.

Whether the reps really want to do right by us, or they’re just afraid of a recall I suppose is immaterial if they’ll actually listen to our feedback & get us the deal we want. (That’s not to say recalls aren’t necessarily in order.)

If anything is forthcoming between now & the time major representative changes take place, I’ll consider it & vote on the merits. I’ll sign a good contract however it gets to me, & reject a bad one with like dispassion.

jerryleber

Because the ALPA Int'l Officer elections happen in mid-October. Get it?

Vernon Demerest

I hear you and agree for the most part. Delta and American definitely have a vested interest in the outcome of this agreement. I still feel a bit burned by all the “warrior spirit” a decade plus ago as SWA pilots openly plotted the demise of UAL/US Air/ American and Delta. It was sick. I just had a Delta friend call me (two days ago) and he mentioned how bizarre it was to see so many SWA guys/gals being so aggressive about this TA. Just seems strange to me but your points are valid

SwampFoxx

Understood. Tensions are high. I agree though, one should tread lightly in another man’s house. Or something like that

WHACKMASTER

Seriously. What a complete and utter $h!tshow. It’s plainly obvious to the outside observer that your MEC/LEC saw that the TA was going to get voted down by a very large percentage and thus either they approached management or management approach them for a redo.

Either way, you have a bunch of clowns representing you and they’re grossly out of touch with your pilot group. Y’all do what you want but I’d be calling for a recall of all of them (especially your NC).

Andy

This is just an attempt by the MEC, NC, and LEC yes voters to save their hides. Recall and replace immediately. This is beyond corrupt.

Lewbronski

Like many have already said in reply to you and like I said in my post, "Since UA is the first major pilot group to be put to the test in this round of negotiations, your pilot group will set the bar for our entire profession." That's why I have such a "hard on" (your words) for what's going on with United's TA. If each airline's pilot group existed in a vacuum and United's pilot group had ratified the garbage TA they had before them, I could care less. But unfortunately for us this round of negotiations, our contracts are created in a pattern bargaining environment. If United's pilot group ratifies anything remotely close to this TA, it lowers the bar for every airline pilot in the US and Canada.

Boeing Aviator

Agreed! Thanks for your contributions to our threads.