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Message to Republic Airlines (isn’t it “Airways?”) Flight Attendants

Urgent

Single Carrier Ruling: On October 12, 2011, the National Mediation Board (“NMB”) issued a decision finding that Frontier and Lynx are now part of a single transportation system with Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Republic Airlines and Midwest for the Flight Attendant craft or class. Neither the IBT nor the AFA Teamsters (?) agrees with this decision. However, in order to preserve the existing representation rights of the Frontier, Republic, Midwest and Lynx Flight Attendants without a difficult and divisive election, the AFA and the Teamsters are discussing the formation of a joint organization that would be certified by the NMB and would allow each organization to continue to represent the members it presently represents for grievance and contract bargaining purposes. The IBT and AFA are in the preliminary stages of negotiating the creation of such an organization, and plan to ask the NMB to postpone any further action on a runoff election until late November 2011, by which time we hope to have an agreement creating such an entity. We will continue to keep you posted.

ATCsaidDoWhat

There is a monumental difference between the Republic pilots who got a substandard FIRST contract foisted on them by LU747 leadership that was sacked by the International and the Airline Division...and FAPA, who voluntarily SOLD OUT to BB while trying to cut a side deal.

Face it...you are no different than the first group of pilots at American who sold out the future AA pilots by agreeing to the first "B" scale.

Republic pilots got a lousy contract that can and will be improved.

YOU sold out the profession and those who will come after us.

ATCsaidDoWhat

Huge difference between two groups working together and FAPA coming in with a list of DEMANDS...by the way...you STILL lost the election.

FAULTPUSH

That's not likely, based on every other IBT contract. Except Atlas. Which is halfway between Delta's scale and United's bankruptcy scale. Kudos to them for being a bright spot in a sea of mediocrity.

F9 A319

You seem to struggle with quoting and bolding.....


There is no "B" scale, have you read LOA 67? The LOA affected ALL pilots, not just New Hires or FO's. Do you know what the "B" scale was at AA, how it came about and how it was finally abolished? Do you know what we "gave up?" Do you know what we gained? I'll help you out here - you don't know what we gained.

I doubt that you know what we gave either, read the LOA.

WE have work rules, benefits and payrates that are just fine for now, thank you.

List of Demands:

Allow Frontier pilots a voice in our own future.

Don't behave in a way that harms our jobs.

We prefer to work with Management rather than wake up every single day and think of ways to fight with them.

Don't steal our money.

Engage as opposed to demanding our participation.

Communicate with the Frontier pilot group.

Pretty unreasonable list, I guess. And the IBT and 357 has yet to meet a single "demand."

They certainly NEED a new contract. Unfortunately, that does not equate to "can" or "will" be improved.

That statement demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the situation.

And YOU have got to be *^%*&#^ joking!

"We sold out the profession" from an RAH pilot?!? You voted in your contract, which is the worst I've ever seen. You have the same guy negotiating for changes to 4 sections of your CBA.

How's that going? Strike by Christmas? Trying to sell a "lack of safety" campaign? You guys remember Colgan 3407 in BUF and the subsequent safety concerns about "Commuters", right? Having a 23 year old tell the traveling public on TV that he's going to take lunch breaks, not because it's a safety issue, but that he just doesn't care and wants a raise? Brilliant!

The fact that you can not or will not recognize the hypocrisy in David Bourne and IBT National coming down on one side of the representation issues in one case and 180 degrees different in our case renders your opinions moot.

EvilMonkey

You don't know what kind of lead in question that was in response to (unless you were there, which I doubt.). The media take a statement out of context? A big stretch, I know...

ATCsaidDoWhat

No troubles at all F9...you sold out the profession when you went begging to give concessions to a modern day Frank Lorenzo. Your airline was in the can and you were headed for the unemployment line when BB bought you for pennies on the dollar. Everyone saw your idea of how the SLI should occur; you wanted to shaft everyone else. You lost on that one. Then, facing the representation election, you created the farce called RPC Unity, that failed too.

And as your final act of desperation, you went to BB and sold your soul and the profession out by giving away concessions that others in this industry will use at the bargaining table to demand concessions or threaten bankruptcy.

Those of us who have been here much longer than you have seen it before. You can put all the lipstick on the pig you want; it doesn't change the fact that you did it.

Did the Republic pilots get a lousy first contract? Yep. Your assumptions and pronouncements on what they will achieve in the days ahead are baseless because you have no clue what will happen. Just as you have no clue about the background of who will be doing the negotiating. Just assumptions.

Nor do you likely understand that many carriers out there; meaning the legacies and long established regionals who have been around 30 years or more, didn't start out with stellar first contracts.

There is a word for what you continue to espouse as an excuse for your sellout.

Quisling.

FAULTPUSH

Lynx, MEA, and Frontier had similar ideas on the SLI. IBT was the one that was waaaaaay out there. What was your proposal for the Midwest pilots? You wanted to shaft everyone else, so we'll call it even.

What's IBT's excuse for the crappy contracts everywhere else but Atlas? Are they all first contracts? It seems like your argument is "our contracts suck compared to yours, but at least we haven't given concessions".

F9 A319

We didn't go "begging" to give concessions, we met with the Company, listened to their proposal, reviewed the financials and agreed to concessions. The concessions we agreed to won't affect anyone else's ability to negotiate a contract in the future.

At this time, we have to worry about our future, not the industry's. If you're a student of the industry, you'll remember all the promises UAL ALPA made to the old Frontier pilots, only to betray them in the end. There are tons of examples of every size of pilot group looking out for their best interests as opposed to trading their jobs for the faceless "industry pilots."

Again, have you read LOA 67? There's nothing in there even remotely close to "selling our soul."

Been where longer than I have? At RAH?

The IBT created such an adversarial, confrontational relationship with RAH management that they have been essentially useless in dealing with RAH Management on any issue that could benefit their membership and/or the Company. Line hour reduction LOA excluded, but then that didn't go exactly as planned, did it?

Or are you talking about the industry? I have been flying professionally for 31 years and have studied the industry as much as anyone I know. I have held every position a pilot can hold. Management, Line pilot, Sim and Line CAM and 5 different union positions over 11 years.

Would you like the Bio on Sneddon, Eve, Craig or Wilder?

Excellent word dude! I had to look it up. I think you might be putting more emotion, more emphasis and far too much hyperbole into this entire situation.....

skygrl67

Us RAH FAs are calling the attorney representing IBT as we are opposing two councils. It is ridiculous. We have more FAs than F9 and we aren't worried about losing IBT. We need one union representing us all. I could care less which one. I have had both in the past. As for this non sense, looking back, I wish Southwest would have won. Listening to a bunch of crews whine about how Republic ruined their airline gets really old. Remember where you could of been. Get happy, be productive and make it work or get out! Life is way too short.