RAH Representation Election - Write in "RPC"!
06-04-2011, 02:54 PM
#81
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Short Answer... yes.
Long ANSWER.. HELL YES.
Our scope requires it. That comment right there should lose every remaining IBT vote. Like I said earlier, this would have been great to establish the day the purchase was completed and you guys knew you would have to be merged with us or be furloughed. Would have made this process a lot smoother and the groups would have less animosity towards each other. Where was the RPC in 2009-May 2011? Still waiting for an answer on that. Also the day you become IBT your concessionary negotiations will cease.
ONE LIST,
ONE VOICE,
ONE CONTRACT
IBT is the only vote that makes sense.
Long ANSWER.. HELL YES.
Our scope requires it. That comment right there should lose every remaining IBT vote. Like I said earlier, this would have been great to establish the day the purchase was completed and you guys knew you would have to be merged with us or be furloughed. Would have made this process a lot smoother and the groups would have less animosity towards each other. Where was the RPC in 2009-May 2011? Still waiting for an answer on that. Also the day you become IBT your concessionary negotiations will cease.
ONE LIST,
ONE VOICE,
ONE CONTRACT
IBT is the only vote that makes sense.
As I have said a number of times. There already is one list. There is only one chance of one voice and that is the RPC. The time frame for "one contract", considering the fact that you just started mediation, is probably 2013 or 2014. You should take some time and research the average length one is stuck in mediation. Putting people on ice is one of their preferred tactics at making one side change their priorities. You are not going into meditation with a short list either. Typical negotiations have a majority of the CBA TA'd by the time they end up in mediation. The fact that the IBT decided to leave a majority of the CBA as status quo would have expidited negotiations had you stayed out of mediation. Now you are right where everyone else is when they start mediation, with pay, scheduling, and quality of issues remaining open. There is nothing "expiditious" about mediation. It is a very long, slow process.
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06-04-2011, 03:05 PM
#82
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Yea supporting your union is such a drag.
http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
FAPA reps get paid a nice little bonus. I don't feel like supporting them.
Here's a question for you.
If RPC's goal is to keep the current unions intact then how can it guarantee their separate function? You're sitting here saying, "We'll guarantee IMSL". How? If FAPA is separate how do you plan on guaranteeing it? A little odd. What's to keep FAPA, who's separate, from doing what they're currently doing? This tells me there's no umbrella at all but just a crack pipe attempt at yet again dodging our scope/union.
If RPC can guarantee the IMSL, and at the same time keeping FAPA separate, then why not just do the IMSL now?
This is so ridiculous.
http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
FAPA reps get paid a nice little bonus. I don't feel like supporting them.
Here's a question for you.
If RPC's goal is to keep the current unions intact then how can it guarantee their separate function? You're sitting here saying, "We'll guarantee IMSL". How? If FAPA is separate how do you plan on guaranteeing it? A little odd. What's to keep FAPA, who's separate, from doing what they're currently doing? This tells me there's no umbrella at all but just a crack pipe attempt at yet again dodging our scope/union.
If RPC can guarantee the IMSL, and at the same time keeping FAPA separate, then why not just do the IMSL now?
This is so ridiculous.
Regarding your question, please google search Gate Gourmet IBT/HERE.
The RPC is the certified bargaining agent, accountable to the entire memership. If FAPA does something that disenfranchises the 357, the 357 members will sue the RPC for DFR and they will win.
These consiracy theories are getting silly.
06-04-2011, 03:49 PM
#83
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
No conspiracies. Once again if you have the power to stop the lawsuit FAPA has against the IMSL why not do so now and save us the trouble? There's obviously a side agenda which makes this smell like poop.
Right now you haven't given me any reasons to chose this. I saw your post about how Frontier is failing however that has nothing to do with union representation. There's still that 7yr fence. So whether you go tits up tomorrow or last forever it won't push us on the street.
Right now you haven't given me any reasons to chose this. I saw your post about how Frontier is failing however that has nothing to do with union representation. There's still that 7yr fence. So whether you go tits up tomorrow or last forever it won't push us on the street.
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06-04-2011, 05:03 PM
#85
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Yup. There it is, big as life on the 747 LM-2: $21440 worth of flight bags. Maybe not purchased on 5/4- probably earlier than that- but that is when the bill was paid
Good find for your cause, in a mud-slinging sort of way. But the mud is flying in both directions and as messy as that gets, as a weapon of last resort it still works.
Might could be 'splained. There is a lot of mish-mash in the LM-2, what with the trusteeship, the dissolution of 747, the shift of all the other 747 groups to the 1224 and the charter of 357, but someone really should 'splain that.
There is this, though. The current EXCO was not in place in May 2010. They did not take command until September. Maybe someone should ask their predecessors to do the 'splaining.
Good find for your cause, in a mud-slinging sort of way. But the mud is flying in both directions and as messy as that gets, as a weapon of last resort it still works.
Might could be 'splained. There is a lot of mish-mash in the LM-2, what with the trusteeship, the dissolution of 747, the shift of all the other 747 groups to the 1224 and the charter of 357, but someone really should 'splain that.
There is this, though. The current EXCO was not in place in May 2010. They did not take command until September. Maybe someone should ask their predecessors to do the 'splaining.
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06-04-2011, 09:01 PM
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06-05-2011, 08:28 AM
#89
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Might want to actually take the time to verify things before just jumping for it. The 747 was comprised of several carriers not just RAH. Make an inquiry. We are not part of the 747 however. We are now a different union entirely.
06-05-2011, 09:50 AM
#90
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Slum, our concessionary negotiations have already Ceased.
As I have said a number of times. There already is one list. There is only one chance of one voice and that is the RPC. The time frame for "one contract", considering the fact that you just started mediation, is probably 2013 or 2014. You should take some time and research the average length one is stuck in mediation. Putting people on ice is one of their preferred tactics at making one side change their priorities. You are not going into meditation with a short list either. Typical negotiations have a majority of the CBA TA'd by the time they end up in mediation. The fact that the IBT decided to leave a majority of the CBA as status quo would have expidited negotiations had you stayed out of mediation. Now you are right where everyone else is when they start mediation, with pay, scheduling, and quality of issues remaining open. There is nothing "expiditious" about mediation. It is a very long, slow process.
As I have said a number of times. There already is one list. There is only one chance of one voice and that is the RPC. The time frame for "one contract", considering the fact that you just started mediation, is probably 2013 or 2014. You should take some time and research the average length one is stuck in mediation. Putting people on ice is one of their preferred tactics at making one side change their priorities. You are not going into meditation with a short list either. Typical negotiations have a majority of the CBA TA'd by the time they end up in mediation. The fact that the IBT decided to leave a majority of the CBA as status quo would have expidited negotiations had you stayed out of mediation. Now you are right where everyone else is when they start mediation, with pay, scheduling, and quality of issues remaining open. There is nothing "expiditious" about mediation. It is a very long, slow process.
You need to educate yourself on our contract rather than tell me I'm not educated about my own contract and union. Yes it's a slow process, we've waited 4 years already. I have faith in my negotiating committee that the end will be worth the wait.
Fact is that FAPA is in un-necessary concessionary talks. Pilot wages and benefits are not F9's problem. Revenue is. Maybe the negotiations stopped for the weekend, but FAPA has been selling back their hard earned contract to this management for far too long. As long as there are two bargaining agents this will not work. My vote has been cast. IBT gets another one.
Still haven't answered my question. Where was RPC prior to May 2011 when it could have done a lot of good? Crickets?
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