RPC Unity

This is actually a really funny statement. Definitely worth a beer. But take a step back and think about this for a second.

How many times have you heard the phrase "I don't care what the union is called, the only thing that really matters are the people involved"

The RPC is the literal implementation of representation beyond a "name".

This will not be FAPA, or ALPA, or the IBT.

No ALPA agenda, whatever that is.
No FAPA baggage.
No IBT takeover or financial troubles

It will be the RPC, a group of pilots from each certificate working together.

BUDDHA

So who will represent?? each group will decided who's our 3 and your 3 in this RPC?? Have you already approach L357 and FAPA with this?? and if this gets vote in I'm sure their will be no leader here but all six of them??

RPC Unity

Your original post, before you edited it, was "This is someone from Frontier, what a joke".

To your original post, obviously several Frontier pilots are involved. With that being said, the Council Structure is originally an IBT idea. If it is good for other IBT members, why is it not good enough for you?

At Gate Gourmet, the IBT and HERE are the bargaining units under the

IBT/HERE Employee Representatives’ Council. At UsAirways, the IBT and CWA are the bargaining units under the IBT/CWA Passenger Service Association. Both of these Councils share essential committees like grievance and arbitration, to name a few. Additionally, the IBT/CWA Passenger Service Association was able to negotiate a Transition Agreement in two months after the USAirways/America West merger and that agreement included pay raises for both groups. (Obviously that time line is just an example, but these Council's are functioning organizations that demonstrate the potential efficiencies that we can produce together.)

To you edited post, "Resistance is futile".

The RPC is not resistance. The RPC is revolution.

To quote a CEO of one of the airlines currently employing a Council Structure, "the alliance represents a new, progressive way of approaching organization".

Why waste bandwidth and hard earned dues dollars fighting each other when we can unite under one Council and focus on what is important?

Take a few minutes, let your guard down and educate yourself.

This is a great IBT idea and we can make it even better, together.

Vote RPC.

crazy pills

So how about those names? I'd love to know who these soldiers for unity are. If I felt so lead as to start a union for 3,000 pilots, I can't imagine I would be afraid to let people know who I am.

Who exactly on the local 357 exco is supporting this?

This whole thing stinks. I'm sure most F9 pilots are great people, but these FAPA people are idiots, obvious by there first interaction with RAH, signing an illegal letter of agreement that means nothing now. Did they even bother to check the scope protection of the RAH pilot contract?
This RPC is a joke, correct me if I'm wrong, you want to be the representative group for all of RAH while assigning FAPA to specifically represent the pilots on the F9 certificate?
If you have sent out information in the mail, why are you bothering making your self known on this forum? How many F9 pilots will be writing in RPC?
I wish I could trust FAPA leadership because unity is what we will need to deal with our A-hole management, but I don't.

TillerEnvy

Do people really this RPC clown? I guarantee he is an F9 pilot trying to muddy the waters and get a split so F9 gets the most votes and ours is split up. Nice try kiddo. There is no RPC. Move along....points for being clever though.

RPC Unity

Structure -

RPC Council consists of Six members. Three from the FAPA BoD and three from the Local 357 Exco. Each group will decide their Council members.

The RPC is an umbrella, under which exists two bargaining units. Those two units, with their own current By-Laws continue to exist. If the current Local 357 membership wishes to stay with the IBT, they are welcome to do so. If they want to become one large, independant union, they are also welcome to make that change. Ultimately, the membership of the RPC will decide their own destiny.

Yes, the Local 357 as well as the Airline Division, Airline Division Legal reps, and representatives from the Local 1224 have been approached with this concept. Local 357 Exco has known about the Council structure for quite some time. The RPC is not a suprise to anyone involved.

This is a unique concept for a unique holding company. Frankly, this is a concept that will work, from day one.

This is new and there is a lot riding on this decision.

Ironically, the election is literally opening as I type this sentence, but it doesn't need to be decided before you finish reading this post.

What is the first thing we are taught as professional pilots during a critical event?

Take a step back.
Assess the situtation.
Fly the airplane.
Take a deep breath.
Run the appropriate memory item.
Run the appropriate checklist.
Do it right the first time.

We should all go fly for a few days. Assess the situation. Learn about the RPC.

Do it right the first time. Vote RPC.

mccube5

sounds like a unique way to keep both groups separate. this is the one thing the RAH pilots are fighting tooth and nail to prevent. 357, unless they are flat out lying (which i dont think they are) continute to try and bring the F9 guys into the loop. this couldnt be more different than the USAPA situation. whether the F9 folks ever choose to hop on the wagon is their choice, but no one at RAH is out to take the jobs of the F9 pilots. i think many feel there are more than a handful with the pilot group that would bring a great deal to the table with a combined list, one that might actually be able to make it better for everyone.

was the IMSL perfect, absolutely not, but thats something everyone needs to live with or find some place else to work. binding arbitration is after all, binding.

RPC Unity

Very Important Point

RPC = IMSL implementation = One List

It is possible, legally and practically, to have One List and multiple bargaining units.

This structure exists today at other airlines.

Mulva

G-Dog and all other APC lurking RAHbros, there is no signing up for the site. You will be receiving your login credentials in the mail (some may already have). The discussion is ready to go once everyone has their info. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), APC is getting a head start on the topic and it's already getting comical seeing how some are portraying this idea. Be fair to yourselves and explore what the RPC is, how it might help as an option to mend the fences and hard feelings by providing a representation structure that can allow us to work together, for each other, rather than against each other.

I'll look forward to some good discussions once everyone gets their login info.

Mulva

They should (believe?) this "RPC clown" if that's what you want to call him. He is much more than one individual. And the RPC is a real option that should be considered before blatantly tossing the idea away.

What are we trying to get the most votes for? FAPA's not on the ballot, ALPA's not either. RPC is a form of representation previously adopted by the IBT which we (Frontier Pilots) feel would be a good alternative. It's pretty clear that every F9 pilot has issues with being represented by IBT. We also realize that most of the RAH pilots feel the same way about FAPA. So rather than "shoehorn" us into IBT representation against our will, why not consider an option that would address our interests as well as yours? At least take a look, get involved with the discussion, evaluate the details, and then make an educated decision. Ultimately, it will be your choice. We simply are asking you to consider the options of forming an entity that can better represent the interests of each and every one of us on ALL RAH certificates.

You'll get you information in the mail within a day or so.