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Old 05-31-2011, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulva
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by atr42flyer
So if RPC is voted in, where does that leave the rest of RAH on their current contract negotiations?

would the RPC then make us wait out until 2015 when the FAPA contract is up? would the two contracts be amalgated (sp) sooner or later?

Not sure I like the idea of "seperate but equal" that didn't work out to well during segregation did it!
Leaves the "rest of RAH" in the exact same place they are at this very moment, except in a situation where they have the cooperation of FAPA in their efforts to negotiate with RAH. It is a cooperative effort guided jointly by RAH and F9 pilots. It is an opportunity to work together. It is obvious that nearly every RAH pilot has no interest in FAPA representation and evey F9 pilot has no interest in IBT. So "shoehorning" F9 pilots into IBT representation is probably not the healthiest way to foster unity. Under the RPC option, the IBT can remain in place representing and administering the RAH contract while FAPA can do the same for F9 pilots. Realistically, RAH pilots can continue the status quo under RPC even without IBT, it is their choice. RPC would allow RAH pilots to hold onto the nearly $450K annually that they send to IBT national. Furthermore, through cooperation with FAPA under RPC, they could have access to the capital ($2.2M) and resources of F9 pilots. Ultimately, as time progresses, the RPC will have the option to guide the two side closer together and, who knows, possibly close enough to work under one joint CBA.

It is certainly worth exploring this option as it truly seems to be an opportunity for a healthy relationship between all involved. Don't rush to vote, check it out first.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by atr42flyer
So if RPC is voted in, where does that leave the rest of RAH on their current contract negotiations?

would the RPC then make us wait out until 2015 when the FAPA contract is up? would the two contracts be amalgated (sp) sooner or later?

Not sure I like the idea of "seperate but equal" that didn't work out to well during segregation did it!
BTW...I think "separate but equal" didn't really include the "equal" part. APC is a way to respect each others interests and elected representation while working towards the common good of all involved.
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RPC Unity
Underneath the RPC, the pilots flying on the Republic, Shuttle and Chautauqua certificates under the Chautauqua CBA would be
represented by one organization designated by the RPC specific to their needs and of their choosing (Local 357, or an independent); and the pilots flying on the Frontier certificate under the FAPA CBA would be represented by FAPA, as designated by the RPC. It is imperative that all pilots under Republic Airways Holdings work collaboratively and cooperatively towards common goals in a unified manner.
We need to unite separately!!!

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Old 05-31-2011, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulva
Ultimately, as time progresses, the RPC will have the option to guide the two side closer together and, who knows, possibly close enough to work under one joint CBA.
So, we would not immediatley amalgamate our contracts. That is the stance of RPC? No dice, ONE LIST, ONE VOICE, ONE CONTRACT! Anything else is unacceptable!

You are going to work under your workrules, and leave us to finance your cash negative operation while working under ours? How is that unity?
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SF340guy
So, we would not immediatley amalgamate our contracts. That is the stance of RPC? No dice, ONE LIST, ONE VOICE, ONE CONTRACT! Anything else is unacceptable!

You are going to work under your workrules, and leave us to finance your cash negative operation while working under ours? How is that unity?
Isn't the plan of the current 357 Exco to finish the RAH/357 contract (2013 if you're optimistic) and THEN to negotiate an amalgamated contract? How long do you think that's going to take? Ask your Exco for their honest estimate and then take a look around the industry to see how long negotiations take when labor over-reaches and management is intractable (APA/AMR springs to mind).

No matter who wins, we are going to work under our work rules and you under yours for the foreseeable future. As far as you supporting our money losing operation forever, you'll need to ask BB about that. It certainly won't go on long.
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SF340guy
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It should be included with the mailing that you may not yet have received. They went out Friday via USPS.
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
...The idea of being forced into IBT is as repugnant to FAPA members as being forced into FAPA would be to IBT members...

...All you do by rushing to vote today is foreclose options that you currently have available.
Actually, there were quite a few folks that would have loved to vote for FAPA. Until they started working with the company with the "new hire" thing and the lawsuit for the arbitration, anyway.

I do agree with waiting to vote, though. And I like the idea of the private web board, and I'll participate in it. I wish someone would have set it up for all four pilot groups months ago, though. I think a lot of childish, bs bickering might have been eliminated.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
Isn't the plan of the current 357 Exco to finish the RAH/357 contract (2013 if you're optimistic) and THEN to negotiate an amalgamated contract? How long do you think that's going to take? Ask your Exco for their honest estimate and then take a look around the industry to see how long negotiations take when labor over-reaches and management is intractable (APA/AMR springs to mind).

No matter who wins, we are going to work under our work rules and you under yours for the foreseeable future. As far as you supporting our money losing operation forever, you'll need to ask BB about that. It certainly won't go on long.
F9, what I put in bold above is what we, IBT, do not want. I understand there will be a time period that we will work under separate rules, but we do not want the current contract we are working under. So, yes, we need to finish our contract before we amalgamate. It sucks, but it needs to be done. I would love nothing more for the SLI and amalgamation to be complete yesterday, but our leadership is trying to make this happen as fast as they can.

As for the website, how do you sign up?
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:21 PM
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