Am I the only one disgusted by the scabs list?
06-10-2010, 12:29 PM
#72
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,040
From the Sprit scab list website:
That is the only definition that bothers me. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I'd like to see the person who wrote that say that they would do the same with a straight face. When it comes down to your little baby eating, someone in your family getting medical treatment, ect, do you really think it is fair to label someone for taking care of someone they love? Give me a break.
The rest of the scab "provisions" I can get on board with. It's the one listed above that is just wrong on so many levels. BLOOD is always thicker than water. People need to remember that.
That is the only definition that bothers me. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I'd like to see the person who wrote that say that they would do the same with a straight face. When it comes down to your little baby eating, someone in your family getting medical treatment, ect, do you really think it is fair to label someone for taking care of someone they love? Give me a break.
The rest of the scab "provisions" I can get on board with. It's the one listed above that is just wrong on so many levels. BLOOD is always thicker than water. People need to remember that.
06-10-2010, 01:19 PM
#73
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2010
Posts: 54
I agree with you. I support the Spirt pilots in their endeavor. What I do not support however is penalizing people for doing what's necessary for their survival. I'm talking emergencies here. Losing a home, child dieing, food needs stocked in the cupboards. Not everything is black and white.
Striking is good for labor relations in the end, but in the meantime it doesn't pay the bills. What good is more pay if your baby is dead, you are out on the street, and your wife left you because you wouldn't do a damn thing to look out for their well being over pride??
Like I said everything else on that scab list is a-ok with me. It's the one where it specifically goes after someones need to provide for family (which really is the most important thing in this world) is what gets me fired up. It's ridiculous.
As for it being a zombie thread true. Sorry I didn't look at the date when I replied, but at least what I've posted is relevant to the topic at hand.
Striking is good for labor relations in the end, but in the meantime it doesn't pay the bills. What good is more pay if your baby is dead, you are out on the street, and your wife left you because you wouldn't do a damn thing to look out for their well being over pride??
Like I said everything else on that scab list is a-ok with me. It's the one where it specifically goes after someones need to provide for family (which really is the most important thing in this world) is what gets me fired up. It's ridiculous.
As for it being a zombie thread true. Sorry I didn't look at the date when I replied, but at least what I've posted is relevant to the topic at hand.
06-10-2010, 01:25 PM
#74
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Seat 0B
Posts: 1,214
You present this issue in a short sighted way...You say that losing a house, feeding kids, health treatment are issues that make it ok to return to work during a scab. Here is the problem...what constitutes an emergency is different for every person. You say its ok to go back to work to feed, care, house...would it be ok for me to go back to work to save my car? what about to save my motorcycle? to save my kids car? pretty soon you got guys goin back to work so they can afford the payments on their HD TV they just bought. Thats why it absolutely has to be a black and white issue.
06-10-2010, 01:26 PM
#75
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Spartan
Posts: 3,652
I agree with you. I support the Spirt pilots in their endeavor. What I do not support however is penalizing people for doing what's necessary for their survival. I'm talking emergencies here. Losing a home, child dieing, food needs stocked in the cupboards. Not everything is black and white.
Striking is good for labor relations in the end, but in the meantime it doesn't pay the bills. What good is more pay if your baby is dead, you are out on the street, and your wife left you because you wouldn't do a damn thing to look out for their well being over pride??
Like I said everything else on that scab list is a-ok with me. It's the one where it specifically goes after someones need to provide for family (which really is the most important thing in this world) is what gets me fired up. It's ridiculous.
As for it being a zombie thread true. Sorry I didn't look at the date when I replied, but at least what I've posted is relevant to the topic at hand.
Striking is good for labor relations in the end, but in the meantime it doesn't pay the bills. What good is more pay if your baby is dead, you are out on the street, and your wife left you because you wouldn't do a damn thing to look out for their well being over pride??
Like I said everything else on that scab list is a-ok with me. It's the one where it specifically goes after someones need to provide for family (which really is the most important thing in this world) is what gets me fired up. It's ridiculous.
As for it being a zombie thread true. Sorry I didn't look at the date when I replied, but at least what I've posted is relevant to the topic at hand.
There's never an excuse, funny, those that always need one(a reason) happen to find one. Free will is a wonderful thing, as long as you're willing to deal with its' consequences.
06-10-2010, 01:41 PM
#76
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
That is the only definition that bothers me. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I'd like to see the person who wrote that say that they would do the same with a straight face. When it comes down to your little baby eating, someone in your family getting medical treatment, ect, do you really think it is fair to label someone for taking care of someone they love? Give me a break.
The rest of the scab "provisions" I can get on board with. It's the one listed above that is just wrong on so many levels. BLOOD is always thicker than water. People need to remember that.
The rest of the scab "provisions" I can get on board with. It's the one listed above that is just wrong on so many levels. BLOOD is always thicker than water. People need to remember that.
06-10-2010, 04:15 PM
#77
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: B737 F/O
Posts: 425
Paraphrasing what I said on another thread regarding the NK strike, "Not Scabbing" is the most basic display of solidarity that you can show. It's ridiculous how simple this concept is.
av8r007, if you don't want to be put in a position where a strike could occur and worry about the whole 'crossing the picket line' thing for one reason or another, then limit your employment to a non-union carrier. It really is that simple. Apologize in advance for coming across as arrogant (seriously, not my intent), but we all have a choice in what we do.
av8r007, if you don't want to be put in a position where a strike could occur and worry about the whole 'crossing the picket line' thing for one reason or another, then limit your employment to a non-union carrier. It really is that simple. Apologize in advance for coming across as arrogant (seriously, not my intent), but we all have a choice in what we do.
06-10-2010, 06:19 PM
#78
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2010
Posts: 54
I agree with you all. I don't condone scabbing I think it is wrong but for any of you to say that you wouldn't cross the picket line in a dire situation for your family you are full of ****. Or you really need to analyze what is truly important in life.
06-10-2010, 06:30 PM
#79
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 467
No Justification for Scabs
"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles. When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out...." - author unknown (often attributed to Jack London)
If you lose all principles and honor and become a scab, your wife will be known as the wife of a scab, your son will be a son of a scab, your grandchildren will be known as the grandchildren of a scab and the historical records will preserve your name as a scab forevermore...
There has never been and never will be any justification for being a scab.
winglet
If you lose all principles and honor and become a scab, your wife will be known as the wife of a scab, your son will be a son of a scab, your grandchildren will be known as the grandchildren of a scab and the historical records will preserve your name as a scab forevermore...
There has never been and never will be any justification for being a scab.
winglet
Last edited by winglet; 06-10-2010 at 06:41 PM.
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