CBreezy

Oooo!! I want to play. Okay, here goes: Envoy will cease to exist in 8 months. See? I can make unfounded conclusions based on a qualitative "analysis" of an incomplete data set and completely ignore any kind of context.

Listen old man, I know when you went to college, they didn't use calculating machines, but that doesn't give you an excuse to make outlandish statements.

Those numbers tell no story at all. In the 6 months prior to the growth announcement, TSA managed to hire over 60 FOs. While not a lot of pilots at a place like ExpressJet, this resulted in a nearly 20 growth in the pilot group; all this without any promise of growth and an upgrade that had been hovering around 1-2 years. Isn't it possible that the lack of FOs in classes is because recruiting is focusing on CQFOs? No, that couldn't be it. The company will need 100 more Captains, in less than a year, than there are pilots on the current seniority list. It also couldn't be because, as of the announcement, TSA was very overstaffed on FOs. Nope, that couldn't be it either. Confirmation bias is a strong thing. Most ignorant people are unaware of its affects on opinions.

PilotCrusader

Actually that is true: I learned weight and balance with a slide rule. Learned to navigate without a magenta line present in the aircraft, and how to calculate a precise descent without the use of an FMS; the old man could out fly one of you self entitled spoiled rotten kiddos any day

As far as the rest of your statement, perhaps 5 classes is not enough of a "data set", I could agree with that. I most likely have inserted a little "old man" 20+ years experience watching this stuff as well.

So, how about a bet? I'll bet $1000 that this little experiment fails for most.

AZ wildcat

Does any airline on earth put your upgrade time in writing? Since we all know the answer to that, let's not waste any time on it.

Bottom line: Its MY opinion that any pilot entering the regionals with the intention to move on to a major, they'd be doing themselves a disservice not to go to an airline that is almost tripling in size in the next 12 months.

PilotCrusader

You stated it as if it was fact. Your opinion ok great. It is my opinion that you will not grow enough or fast enough for this to actually work. It is also my opinion that it is obvious that your management knew this by the fact they created the CQFO program right out of the gate. I can also smell the desperation from many TSA guys currently in property who post here regularly; they know the deal. Time will tell who is right.

Blanco

The CQFO 'program' is not a 'program'. The language has been in the contract for years. The company is just now able to put it to use. It is working, will continue to work and TSA will prosper.

You need to build a bridge and get over it!

Coneydog

No concessions were made. The pilot group had nothing to do with this. And now your willing to bet your own money that we fail? Willfully hoping we fail and more jobs will be lost? That's deplorable. Obviously your a bitter Express jet lifer.

TalkTurkey

Besides, who effing makes bets under a pseudonym whom can simply turn into a welcher when he loses.

ILOVELAMP

For those doubters, even myself. They already gave me a 4 stripe thing your supposed to wear. Then we are PIC typed left Seat, go to Captain IOE, then do our Fed ride and then at some point we do our right Seat qual. If I'm a betting man it sounds like they are hiring captains. Just my.02!

PilotCrusader

Eagle lifer and not bitter at all - My name says it all - I just don't want to see new guys duped.

You are right: you didn't take concessions or anything but obviously a CQFO program is designed to pilfer from other regionals so don't act all high and mighty about what it is your pilot group is playing along with.

I don't hope you fail, I'm betting you fail. Whether you do or not does not affect in me even a miniscule way.

Coneydog

How are new guys being duped? By offering them an opportunity to make more money and pad their resume (in an effort to get hired with a major) ? American Airlines played you guys. I am truly sorry for that. We did not vote in a concessionary contract. United took those planes from Xpress Jet...not us. Is it Trans States fault that they can fly for a profit while maintaining a happy pilot group with a better than average contract? Again, no concessions. Upgrade times are quick. Pilots are happy here. Most people are coming here to have an opportunity they otherwise wouldn't have had at their previous airline. This is what your mad about? What is it that you are 'crusading' for? You sound like a clown