Trans States CQFO
#411
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 161
The thing is man that I get that every person will be in a different situation and will have different goals and reasons to come here. But the attitude that we should just plan better and deal with poverty wages and our own hotel costs (IOE) is plain insanity. I'm so tired of this attitude. It's great that you were able to make your car payments during training man. Thumbs up to you. But the fact that you are defending $500 paychecks for 3 months is crazy. "just plan better"?? seriously? Is it just me or is this the very reason why the pay and wages are so low to begin with. As long as there are people who not only accept it but are proud to get through it nothing will change. We need more people to come here. You should be advocating change for the better not telling people why its acceptable. Jesus.
#412
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 221
The thing is man that I get that every person will be in a different situation and will have different goals and reasons to come here. But the attitude that we should just plan better and deal with poverty wages and our own hotel costs (IOE) is plain insanity. I'm so tired of this attitude. It's great that you were able to make your car payments during training man. Thumbs up to you. But the fact that you are defending $500 paychecks for 3 months is crazy. "just plan better"?? seriously? Is it just me or is this the very reason why the pay and wages are so low to begin with. As long as there are people who not only accept it but are proud to get through it nothing will change. We need more people to come here. You should be advocating change for the better not telling people why its acceptable. Jesus.
Why do you want me to do to advocate change? Go March a protest, Ferguson style, on HQ and demand we change training pay yesterday? The "pilots like you caused this problem" crap is getting extremely old. You wanna look at the problem? The pilots that vote on these contracts are so far out of initial training that they don't bat an eyelash at the fact that training pay is subpar, because they are NEVER going to have to live thru it again. And I'll guarantee if they offered $35/hr first year pay instead of changing how much we get paid during training, everyone would be scrambling to circle yes. It's 9 months vs 3 months.
#413
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Dude get it into your mother fukking skull, read my post. I NEVER said it can't be better, that it was ideal, or that I was happy with it. But the damn company and Union isn't going to change our training pay in the middle of a contract because a few keyboard warriors are complaining on here about it. All I'm trying to do is offset some of your guys' comments which are undoubtedly deterring people away from coming here because of 3 months of low pay. Whether it's buying groceries during training instead of going to TGIF every day, not taking down a 6 pack of beer every night, there are ways to cut costs. That's all I was saying. You have to alter your lifestyle a little for 3 months to get thru it, but you'll do just that, get thru it.
Why do you want me to do to advocate change? Go March a protest, Ferguson style, on HQ and demand we change training pay yesterday? The "pilots like you caused this problem" crap is getting extremely old. You wanna look at the problem? The pilots that vote on these contracts are so far out of initial training that they don't bat an eyelash at the fact that training pay is subpar, because they are NEVER going to have to live thru it again. And I'll guarantee if they offered $35/hr first year pay instead of changing how much we get paid during training, everyone would be scrambling to circle yes. It's 9 months vs 3 months.
Why do you want me to do to advocate change? Go March a protest, Ferguson style, on HQ and demand we change training pay yesterday? The "pilots like you caused this problem" crap is getting extremely old. You wanna look at the problem? The pilots that vote on these contracts are so far out of initial training that they don't bat an eyelash at the fact that training pay is subpar, because they are NEVER going to have to live thru it again. And I'll guarantee if they offered $35/hr first year pay instead of changing how much we get paid during training, everyone would be scrambling to circle yes. It's 9 months vs 3 months.
#414
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 161
What's so difficult about it? A little bit of prior planning and all these things you guys are complaining about go off without a hitch. I did it, a half a dozen guys in my class did it. All into different bases.
I'm sorry that it isn't all sunshine and rainbows in your book, let me go out on a limb and say, like it was at your previous company. I really don't see why this is such a HUGE deal that you have to pay for 1 hotel room in your 3 months of training.
I'm sorry that it isn't all sunshine and rainbows in your book, let me go out on a limb and say, like it was at your previous company. I really don't see why this is such a HUGE deal that you have to pay for 1 hotel room in your 3 months of training.
#415
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 221
I'm just going off of what you are saying. Why don't you get it through YOUR skull that comments like this is why people are getting all over you about it. We all have to deal with the same crap show. This kind of attitude perpetuates itself. It turns into "you only have to deal with it for a year" and so on. I never said you need to March down to HQ "Ferguson" style. I know change doesn't come automatically. But instead of jumping all over people for grieving what you yourself agree is terrible, why don't you instead welcome your new co-workers and commiserate with them.
I'm all for welcoming everyone here and doing everything possible to improve some things with the new contract coming up. However, some of the guys on here that have a great CQFO opportunity in front of them can't find a single good thing to say about TSA. "We have to put in a pay request every now and then, we MIGHT have to pay for a hotel before IOE, I don't get paid a million dollars in training"
I've seen a VERY select few guys on here that have expressed the slightest bit of a positive attitude towards being a CQFO here. So I'm not going to sit here and join in on the pity party with everyone complaining about the company that signs my paycheck. I'll do my part to improve things in contract negotiations, not on a forum. The only reason I even come on here is to provide help to guys that are looking for info on TSA or people that have legit questions, not complaints.
#417
Mostly Captain, a little bit of FO for now. Not sure how it'll shape up as the fleet grows and more get online. I did hear a rumor that no CQFOs will be going to Denver, at least when it initially opens. Again, it's just a rumor but has anyone else heard anything similar?
#418
Mostly Captain, a little bit of FO for now. Not sure how it'll shape up as the fleet grows and more get online. I did hear a rumor that no CQFOs will be going to Denver, at least when it initially opens. Again, it's just a rumor but has anyone else heard anything similar?
DEN will go senior initially (it makes sense) then go junior as it grows.
#419
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 221
Mostly Captain, a little bit of FO for now. Not sure how it'll shape up as the fleet grows and more get online. I did hear a rumor that no CQFOs will be going to Denver, at least when it initially opens. Again, it's just a rumor but has anyone else heard anything similar?
#420
Correct. I didn't count all the way down to the bottom but there's right at 30-35 standing bids in for Denver on the FO side before it gets to CQFOs. Staffing 5-6 FOs per airplane you're looking at having 6 airplanes in Denver before a CQFO is awarded a transfer there. Early word is the base is opening with 3 or 4 airplanes, so probably sometime around the 2nd or 3rd month some CQFOs may start getting out there.
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