av8rgator

I've got to laugh at comparing TSA to Delta, that's pretty funny! Seriously dude?!?!?!

Coneydog

While training pay does suck, I'd rather them focus on improving other aspects of the contract. We are a small company and can't inprove everything at once. It's 2.5 months out of your life...not that bad. Training compensation at most regional airlines is sub par. I went through ours a year and a half ago...not even half the class made it. So, the companies ROI wasn't great. Maybe that's part of the reason for the low training pay. Things continue to get better though. Additionally, I had to wait a month for IOE while I got paid...to do nothing. All that to say, I didn't think it was too bad. I also have 500 a month in student debt and am married with many bills. I just had to plan ahead. Just my thoughts. I do value CQFO's opinion and experience.

IlliniPilot99

not that bad?????

for every 1 hired here at least 1-2 declined it because of the training pay alone! (I have at least 8 pilot friends that said no thanks for such reason) Just imagine you can only attract pilots without families because throwing in kids, a mortgage, loans, car payment...then $1000 a month is IMPOSSIBLE unless you go into savings or borrow money.

FTR...TSA has one of the worst training compensation packages out there (compass is the exception) almost every other regional you make more to a lot more.

CBreezy

Including XJT which gives you two $1500 checks for all of training.

IlliniPilot99

agree if they want to attract more pilots, this is something that really needs to change...geez just make it your guarantee pust per diem

tom11011

You mean like the sunshine and rainbows living in your mom's basement with no kids or wife? That's great you were able to find your way to the crashpad and wash your underwear in kitchen sink. Over here in adult land though things are a little more complex. em-k sweetie? (oh yes he did)

TeamRamRod

I realize that almost everyone has debt that CHOSE this career. Myself included. I never once said it was great, or that we couldn't be better compensated during training. What I did say is that you can budget for 3 months to get thru training pay with minimal damage. I did, and still am, making $700 student loan payments and $150 car payments on top of rent for a house, which my parents don't live in. (not a crash pad as someone mentioned above)

No, I didn't have to go donate blood and semen to eat ramen noodles thru training. Some "huge expenses" people have are by choice. That $50,000 BMW isn't a necessity. Nor is the child support on 4 kids with 3 wives. I never said the training budget is lucrative, but it's doable.

As far as "comparing" TSA to Delta. That wasn't my intention. Just throwing out one example of a company that doesn't pay for any hotel during training. As someone else stated, apparently Frontier doesn't either. This place turns into the "Let's Bash Trash States!" forum about how subpar EVERYTHING is here compared to other places. All I did was throw out one company that doesn't provide a hotel during training. Until recent, CPZ didn't either, and nobody complained because they got to fly a super cool 175 after they were done!

I, like many others, are 100% open to alternative ways of doing things. But I'll be damned if I'm going to do something on line because the guy sitting next to me says "well this is how we did it at XYZ and it worked better, so I'm going to do it this way." I'm not going to get violated flying another airline's SOP because 50% of the flight deck thinks it's a better way to do it. You're exactly right, the CQFOs are a permanent part of TSA, and we welcome them with open arms. But accept the fact that you (not you in particular) are not at ENY, XJT, RAH, or 9E anymore and there may be a different way of doing things now. Under normal and 99% of abnormal operations, the TRANS STATES SOP keeps yours and my ass from getting violated, so we need to follow it. Not XJTs, not ENYs.

And as for tom11011, real high level of maturity there man. You have absolutely no reason to be condescending to a coworker, solely based on what your assumption is of my age. (which most likely is incorrect considering you post makes me out to be ~14 yrs old) You have no idea that my wife may have had a miscarriage while I was in training. Or had a family member pass away while in training. Big assumptions to make there man, big assumptions. I like to think that when everyone entered into this industry, we began, or had been previously living in, "adult land". I'll refrain from being a pr!ck, back in middle school (which I just finished a few months ago), they told me some people just can't help themselves.

lakehouse

I passed because I feel the risk is still very high. I don't see many actually truly wanting to bite. It might work short term but I can't afford it not to.

I'd goto Mesa first. Well actually endevour.

TeamRamRod

Not giving you the recruiting pitch, but get some insight from people at each company. I have a friend that works at Endeavor and the first words out of his mouth were "yeah well, we still have to be in business to get the 80k bonus" It's prorated for a reason. If Delta shuts them down in 12 months, they invested very little into keeping that places running at full steam until the final day.

The 3 classes that are running in April show that many are willing to make the move. The airplanes are arriving on-time for both UAL and AA and being put straight into service. Denver will open May 1. We've barely hired our most junior captain, with no attrition. Whatever you choose, I wish you all the best, but you're doing yourself a real disservice by not seriously looking at the facts of each regional and their future in the next 3-5 years.

tom11011

Talk about condescending-- you got what you deserved precisely for that prior post of yours. Try and choke back the fake tears.