FirstClass

Why would you say that? You think starting IOE two days after loft is enough time to move into base and be ready for work?

etflies

Given that the industry standard is to have a company provided hotel room at least until the completion of IOE and that you're still on training pay when you have to pay for your own room, yes, it is frustrating. Please don't defend things like this, they absolutely need to be fixed with the next CBA if the company hopes to staff the growth. I've spoken to several pilots now who would be more willing to make the jump if it weren't for various issues, mostly having to do with the pay during training.

TeamRamRod

Dude, it's training. Estimated 89 days. Day 1 to completion of IOE. 95% of that is paid for by the company. You can't put together a budget for 3 months? It's one or two $50 crew rate hotel rooms. Good lord.

MavAv8r

The most popular line out there. I'd totally leave if it wasn't for this and that. Guys/Gals love to talk. Everyone talks big until it comes time to make the big boy decisions.

Aside from that, I do agree that paying for hotels is standard. Training pay can and should be better. The same can be said for all the other regionals in some way shape or form. It isn't a TSA specific problem. It's an industry wide problem.

Just personal opinion, but I do believe we will make gains in this CBA. Like you said, the company needs to staff the flying. They know that, and any improvements will certainly help that cause.

flyingreasemnky

You honestly think guys that are making around $1,000 a month after taxes until the completion of OE have no right to complain about footing the bill for a couple of nights in a hotel?!?!? Only in this industry would someone consider this acceptable. Guys with your attitude are the reason why we are compensated so badly at the regional level. Trans States should be providing hotels through the completion of OE with 75 hour guarantee and per diem. That should be standard across the board.

TeamRamRod

What's so difficult about it? A little bit of prior planning and all these things you guys are complaining about go off without a hitch. I did it, a half a dozen guys in my class did it. All into different bases.

I'm sorry that it isn't all sunshine and rainbows in your book, let me go out on a limb and say, like it was at your previous company. I really don't see why this is such a HUGE deal that you have to pay for 1 hotel room in your 3 months of training.

TeamRamRod

Last time I checked, Delta new hires are paying for their lodging in training. Don't see them being ridiculed or have a shortage of applicants. I haven't voted in concessions, chief, so the "pilots like me…" line is invalid.

MavAv8r

Totally agree and I'm guessing RamRod is somewhere in that area that it SHOULD be that way across the board, but it isn't. It isn't a TSA specific problem. That's what he is getting at. People are making it sound like we are scum of the industry because there is no per diem in training and you may have to pay for a hotel on IOE. You make more in training here than you do at XJET. At least you are paid while waiting for IOE here. So why isn't everyone over on that forum ripping on their training pay?

The reality is Compass, up until very recently, was making new hires pay for their own lodging during training on training pay. Yet, people weren't ripping on them and considering leaving due to having to pay for lodging, but because it is Trans States and TSA is apparently trash in others' eyes it's a major foul. That's the part that some of us don't get. It's "fine" for other carriers to do it, but it's like we are the only place in the industry that has ****ty training pay.

It looks like, from the outside, that everyone is trying like hell to try and make this growth look like it's not real or a scam. It is what you see, and the reality is it's going to happen. Just because some dude is on here *****ing about training pay and how he told his buddy that training pay sucks isn't going to change that fact.

v1valarob

Either give me full pay the day I finish loft, or put me in a hotel until IOE complete.

v1valarob

You realize that those of us complaining are at TSA currently right? And that most of us have experience with multiple regionals and kinda have an idea of whats standard and whats not?