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08-27-2015, 07:05 PM
#9341
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Embraer Systems Analyst
Posts: 1,853
"Signing bonus" is to compensate for the lack of pay raises for captains...
Terrible increase for them.. Good improvements for FOs, mediocre retirement. At best...
Best part is 150% for any reroute outside of scheduled trip.
I will be voting this down. I need PBS tied into it.
Terrible increase for them.. Good improvements for FOs, mediocre retirement. At best...
Best part is 150% for any reroute outside of scheduled trip.
I will be voting this down. I need PBS tied into it.
08-27-2015, 07:08 PM
#9342
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Embraer Systems Analyst
Posts: 1,853
It's been a few years since I was there, but the reserve language was awful. At the time, it was also policy that a year 1 FO could not/would not get paid for a sick call, which is not only morally wrong, but a potential safety hazard. I don't know if that is still the case.
There are a couple of things you guys need to keep in mind here. As FK says in another post, some form of bonus with a new TA is standard. The terminology matters because of tax implications, but either way, there will be something.
As far as the idea that the company won't want to pay to keep people from jumping ship, you need to remember this: any such cost is only going to be incurred if UA and AA agree to cover it. I work for UA, and the company is well aware of the pilot shortage at the regionals, and they know that if monetizing an incentive is necessary to get people to come to TSA is necessary, those cost need to be addressed in the code-share contract.
Whether or not you guys vote it in, obviously, is a different story.
There are a couple of things you guys need to keep in mind here. As FK says in another post, some form of bonus with a new TA is standard. The terminology matters because of tax implications, but either way, there will be something.
As far as the idea that the company won't want to pay to keep people from jumping ship, you need to remember this: any such cost is only going to be incurred if UA and AA agree to cover it. I work for UA, and the company is well aware of the pilot shortage at the regionals, and they know that if monetizing an incentive is necessary to get people to come to TSA is necessary, those cost need to be addressed in the code-share contract.
Whether or not you guys vote it in, obviously, is a different story.
08-27-2015, 09:24 PM
#9343
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 156
This TA will do little to improve CAs terms. It's designed to give the company the ability to advertise the higher 1st year FO pay... To cover company needs.
08-28-2015, 02:27 AM
#9345
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 221
Continue with the doom and gloom though. The company is trying to buttfukk us and our wives, blah blah blah, the usual.
08-28-2015, 02:39 AM
#9346
2 days off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Embraer Systems Analyst
Posts: 1,853
Overwork us with less people? How are you going to be overworked, genius. If you have a spare second, go flip through the lines from last month. 90% had 11 days off. That's not an exaggeration either. So tell me how you're going to be overworked even more when everyone company wide is already at min days off flying 15 hour 4 days....
Continue with the doom and gloom though. The company is trying to buttfukk us and our wives, blah blah blah, the usual.
Continue with the doom and gloom though. The company is trying to buttfukk us and our wives, blah blah blah, the usual.
08-28-2015, 02:43 AM
#9347
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,606
You never answered my question.
Additional pay raises for the next several years.
Signing bonus
Reduced health care costs
Additional matching on retirement
Premium pay for reroutes
All of that is money in your pocket.
Tying PBS to this would be a huge mistake. They are completely different. We don't want that and they don't want that. If you get min day and other section 25 improvements now, the company loses PBS. Why vote it in if we already have what we want. If you tie PBS to the extension, there's a much higher risk to the company and to the union of it not getting voted in.
Additional pay raises for the next several years.
Signing bonus
Reduced health care costs
Additional matching on retirement
Premium pay for reroutes
All of that is money in your pocket.
Tying PBS to this would be a huge mistake. They are completely different. We don't want that and they don't want that. If you get min day and other section 25 improvements now, the company loses PBS. Why vote it in if we already have what we want. If you tie PBS to the extension, there's a much higher risk to the company and to the union of it not getting voted in.
08-28-2015, 03:15 AM
#9348
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,606
Tsa has historically been a min days off airline. You'd know that but you haven't been here probably a year or two. Talk to the gojet guys about how they like PBS. The company controls their parameter with the exception of the top guys on the seniority who actually get what they ask for. We have to be careful and not blindly follow the company like you do.
08-28-2015, 03:30 AM
#9349
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Embraer Systems Analyst
Posts: 1,853
08-28-2015, 04:51 AM
#9350
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 221
Read each word, guy. You say we're going to be overworked solely because of PBS. How can you possibly say that PBS is going to bend us over and deteriorate our QOL when literally 90% of the seniority list I at minimum days off right now. Your argument is invalid. But go ahead and keep pulling the card that you think I'm junior to you and that somehow makes me inferior to you and incompetent.
All I'm saying is that QOL LITERALLY cannot decrease just because PBS is accepted by the group. I don't know if you have some personal vendetta against it, but the company has piled enough money into it that it will be implemented by Jan. 2016, one way or another. Feel free to quote me on that when the New Year rolls around. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.
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