etflies

Since others saw fit to assume none of us had pursued the appropriate channels first before coming on here and then point out the obvious, I figured it needed to be pointed out that we know how to handle company issues first before jumping on the interwebs.

For what its worth, my prior experience is never brought up unless asked about when at work. I think part of the friction is when FOs here marginalize the almost decade of experience many CQFOs bring to the table simply because they got here first and got lucky with growth. I've noticed an attitude from some that treat us like a nuisance or as though we are CFIs straight out of Riddle with no 121 time which marginalized the years of 121 flying we bring to the table and develops poor CRM. Most of these have never flown anywhere else and dont realize that their FO today can easily be their CA tomorrow. Ive seen it and lived it.

On the flip side, I've heard a lot of CQFOs around the crew room acting like they are owed some special treatment because they wear 4 stripes. There are too many egos that need to be checked. I agree that many need to calm down and utilize their crews as assets and not someone that needs baby sitting. It's a two way street, folks on both sides can take a better approach.

Coneydog

Hey TeamDip****, I do file grievances...monthly. That's the only way I get paid correctly. Do you really think that's the way to run a company? Ive got a few thoughts of my own:
1. You've got a screw loose

2. I'd fire the payroll department for complete incompetence....effective immediately.

Getting the union involved monthly just to get paid correctly is completely ridiculous. This last time, the union fixed it as they always do. She (payroll) corrected her mistakes. At the risk of sounding redundant, I sent another email just to confirm what was still owed, and she replied with confirmation that we were all on the same page. She STILL SHORTED me what I was owed! That's when I was beginning to think these weren't all honest mistakes. Yes, my patience has run out. Do not mess with a man's money. That is life 101 sh!t.

Coneydog

And yes, Mav is right, the Luftansa system should rectify all these problems...hopefully this happens soon. Other than payroll, I actually enjoy working for this company. It's a great place with good people. And for the record, all my experiences with CQFO's have been very positive. Great guys to fly with. I've yet to run across any D bags. They seem cool.

nafrench

if saber is capable of doing payroll (somewhat) correctly is it very likely new software will solve the problem? a better question may be if I am capable of figuring my pay why can't payroll do it correctly? Makes one wonder how much money is going unclaimed by lazy/ignorant/trusting employees. In an industry where compliance is paramount no department should be exempt. A failure in compliance by pilots usually results in discipline or worse, by MX there are fines, by flight attendants they are so easily fired, but for some reason pay issues are pervasive (not just at TSA)

minimwage4

You would be surprised how little our support group there in STL gets paid, including experienced managers. They really don't care it's just a paycheck. You are on your own. Also I think they are under pressure to operate cheaply.

minimwage4

I'd rather take a DBag cqfo with experience rather than a new riddle grad taking his selfie.

nafrench

yeah i figured as much. can't help it to offer the comparison that FOs and FAs are paid very little too but their compliance is not optional.

CBreezy

Apples to oranges. Our compliance is related to safety.

TeamRamRod

If that riddle grad completes the flight safely, I'd fly with him/her 8 days out of the week over a dbag that won't stop talking about his last 3 airlines. Agree to disagree.


Fiesty. Just the way I like it.

1) I've got more screws loose than an EP that's been flying on IOE for the last 3 weeks.

2) I would do the exact same. I'm not disagreeing, it's ridiculous we have to get the union involved to get paid appropriately… but you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm sure 90% of the CQFOs are great. I can only weigh in on a few. One is a friend that got hired and hasn't complained once through all of this. Seems like less people get ****ed off if you put your head down and power thru sh!t rather than taking to a forum to complain. With that being said, the few CQFOs I've run into in crew rooms that are p!ssed off that they are flying as an FO and insist on doing stuff the way they did it at their last airline…. they far overshadow the great CQFOs that TSA is lucky to have.

Mr Rumbold

Anyone interviewed recently?
What is involved?
Tests? Sim?
What is 1 on 1 like?