BrewCity

Again, it all comes down to bodies. They need more bodies. They already have you. They're not going to put you into a position that's easier to fill than the current FO slot that you occupy.

v1valarob

If you come to TSA you'll get a sweet new iPad Air, which you can use to update your airline apps account. This things retina display is SICK.

DenverPilot8

Dude what is your problem? I can just as easily argue that the company would have better benefitted from being able to cross utilize me as both Captain and FO. That was the whole poin t of CQFOs to begin with. Keeping me as an FO doesn't save them a training event because I'll eventually upgrade anyway. In the meantime they can only use me as an FO. At the time I was hired we were fat on FOs and needed Captains. I asked SEVERAL times if it was possible to train as a CQ before I even came here. I also followed up with an email to recruiting BEFORE I came here. Just to have them lower the mins like a month later. What's your problem with my frustration on that? If you were in my shoes you would be ****ed too. It's a HUGE pay differnce from $25 an hour to possibly $62. Yeah I came willingly because they lied to me. Apparently that's cool in your book but it's not in mine. I'm not being unreasonable. I was not asking to "jump" anyone that wasn't aready qualified. It was a flight time issue and I had the time. Why don't you get that? What's so hard to understand for you company cheerleaders? You guys are so vigilant is squashing any dissent from anyone that criticizes how they have handled things and chaulk it up to "complaining" but this stuff is life changing for a lot of people. Not everyone just willingly cups the company testicles like you do.

BrewCity

It's my understanding that you did not meet the minimums for CQFO when you accepted a position as an FO, so I don't understand why you're claiming you had the flight time. When TSA dropped CQFO minimums to 2,500 hours, you posted on February 20th that you were finishing up sim training as an FO. If the company had opened up a bid for all qualified FOs to bid CQFO after the minimums were dropped I doubt you'd have had the seniority to hold it anyways. What lies did TSA tell you? What lies were you told?

DenverPilot8

That's where you are wrong. They have hired over 60 CQs after my hire date. So even IF as you said CQFO was a bid-able postion I cerainly would have still held it after they dropped the mins to 2500. So you are wrong. I was told that they would have made me a captain as soon as I met the mins. Which would have been a month or two of flying because that is the postion they needed most. Extending upgrade to the end of the year and having to live on $1400 or so a month is NOT what I signed up for. Especially when they hired that many people behind me with even less time to make 3 times as much. Again what is unreasonable about asking to be put in that postion? You still have not answered that. I'm senior to every CQ on property except about 8. So what's your problem?

Anyway whatever man. We are not going to agree. You are obviously hell bent on telling all of us we deserve what we are getting and the company is somehow void of any responsibility for what they promise. You should know though that I came here with the highest of hopes and an open mind. I wanted to like it here. I really did.

Coneydog

I understand some of the CQFO's frustration, but as some on the board have already stated, you've been online for 1 month. One month. Slow your roll and take a breath. Your pay issues will get resolved. The amount of growth that is coming will get everyone flying...probably more than your liking. And then people will b!tch about that. Attrition has barely begun; there will be a lot of movement.

BrewCity

I have no idea how many FOs met TSA's upgrade minimums in February when the minimums dropped, so you could be right that you could have held a CQFO position had a vacancy been offered. Did you not see all of the current TSA pilots saying that they think the whole CQFO thing is an end-run around their contract.

Unless the recruiters knew that upgrade mins would be dropping at the time they hired you I'm not sure it can be considered a lie to tell you that you'd upgrade as soon as you met minimums (3500 hours at the time).

You made a lateral move and you knew (or should have known) the risks of making that move. So no, you probably won't get much sympathy from the rest of the pilot world.

DenverPilot8

I don't want sympathy man. I don't care about that. My frustration are valid I think and ts something the company cold have easily fixed if they wanted to. I get that im just another cog in the wheel. But in my small world it means significant financial hardship because even my worst expectations didn't account for them changing this in the matter of a month. Then to find out they are hiring CQs behind me at triple the pay is hard to take. That's all I'm saying. But again we are not going to agree.

KyleMyers

Mav - Thank you for responding to my post. Unfortunately, instead of responding in an adult and mature manner, you took the tact of replying to my in a very childish and immature way. This speaks volumes to me about your character, and maturity level, or should I say, lack thereof. Now I will know what sort of credence to give your posts in the future, not that you exactly were the beacon of credibility you think you are to begin with.

In response to saying that life is not fair, and we should just deal with what we have, believe me, I understand more than you. My last airline, I was told to expect upgrade in about a year after interviewing. Instead, I wound up furloughed. While companies can make their best judgements or forecasts, things like that are always subjective. What is not, and is 100% in complete control of the company, is compensation for time given. We were told something different regarding compensation than what is being given to us. It was those "promises" that weighed in heavily on our decision to leave wherever we were before. Hence, our qualms regarding this issue and the company, as well as our complaints.

Furthermore, I said that the reason we are complaining and why we are qualified to be Captains, means that we have a lot of experience. I take it this is your first airline, and you've never seen what else is out there and how TSA compares to its peers. All of us CQFO's HAVE seen what else is out there. Some companies are better, a few are worse, so when we take our knowledge and experience and compare it to what we are seeing now, those are valid comparisons. I have flown with more than one First Officer (low time and first airline) that have also been disappointed by TSA. A guy I flew with recently said he is going to give it another month or two, and likely is going to quit. This company is plagued by disorganization and lack of accountability, and it shows. I could go into detail, but I'll save that for another post. In the meantime, realize that we are not trashing the company. We all came here with high hopes and a promising future, with the "old TSA" behind us in the rearview mirror. I just hope this company will get its act together so we can all, YOU INCLUDED, have a bright future. Good luck to you, hopefully we'll fly together in the future.

08udaviator

Anyone know the lowdown on this "$10,000 signing bonus" ? Is it over a year, 3 years, or right after training?