Originally Posted by 24/48

Have any of you TSA'ers wondered what the long term future is for the 50 seat jet? Some of you seem to be jumping for joy over this perceived growth and consumed by the immediate future. Meanwhile you poo-poo Mesa, Go-jet, whoever for crap contracts, pilots going there because of shiny new jets, etc. When in reality all I've seen on this thread is a bunch of TSA pilots, good folks I'm sure, jumping for joy over shiny well used jets of the 50 seat variety. All the while throwing contract language, pay rates, benefits, etc on the table trying to one up each other.

Seriously, what do you guys have to be proud of at TSA? Yeah you guys are finally getting out of the gutter and seeing movement. But wasn't it just over 10 years ago the Hulas ***** slapped you with GoJets? This wasn't the first time a sleazy regional CEO did this, anyone remember the original Freedom Air? Same idea as GoJets but forced upon the Mesa pilots, however, the Mesa pilots actually did something about it and it wasn't just coming on a message board to bash Freedom. Mesa used negotiating capital to bring the Freedom Air flying back to the Mesa pilots and it was all done in the post 9/11 airline arena that sucked a$$. So crap on the Mesa contract all you want, but it doesn't mean you guys are winning by any stretch of the imagination.

Back to the 50 seater. Straight up, it's a dying breed. So rejoice all you want but those with the 70/76 seat flying are the long-term survivors in this game. UAL is maintaining the position that a 50 seat jet has a place in our route system, however, they are also banking on our MEC caving more on scope and relaxing some of the block hour restrictions, sorry not interested. What I suspect will happen is that as the 50 seaters come up for heavy maintenance they will be put to pasture. Fact is that UAL wants the max allowable 70/76 seat aircraft per the UPA. With that desire comes tighter block hour restrictions for UAX at 68% UAX Block Hours to UAL Narrow Body Block Hours. With that they can have a total of 325 70/76 airframes, and 450 total airframes (125 50 seaters). 68% spread over 450 airframes will most likely lead to lower than desired aircraft utilization. Oh yeah, and they need to introduce a NEW small narrow body fleet to the mainline.

UAL is actively seeking out a 90 seat aircraft for mainline to fly. That 90 seat aircraft will most likely re-claim the heavier, longer stage length legs like IAH-YEG, BDL, etc freeing up the UAX airframes for shorter stage length legs and growing smaller markets. Those smaller markets would be the markets that the 50 seater currently operates to, a trickle down if you will. Management is championing these new 70/76 seat jets coming on line because they offer the same exact product as mainline with First Class, Econ Plus, and eventually wi-fi entertainment building up the ancillary income those products provide. No such investment is or will be made to the 50 seaters.

So enjoy those "new" airplanes being transferred to you from another regional but don't think it is long term growth you are seeing.

Originally Posted by minimwage4

The clarion is a dump but at least there's lots of stuff around it. With the crown you had to take the van to go anywhere. Still it was good though. I'm wondering why were going back to the old hotel in Mem? What was wrong with the new one?

Originally Posted by Pilottim79

Where is the obvious troll being obvious meme? Don't feed this dude. A Mesa troll at that! I mean the dude works for MESA!

Originally Posted by 24/48

Have any of you TSA'ers wondered what the long term future is for the 50 seat jet? Some of you seem to be jumping for joy over this perceived growth and consumed by the immediate future. Meanwhile you poo-poo Mesa, Go-jet, whoever for crap contracts, pilots going there because of shiny new jets, etc. When in reality all I've seen on this thread is a bunch of TSA pilots, good folks I'm sure, jumping for joy over shiny well used jets of the 50 seat variety. All the while throwing contract language, pay rates, benefits, etc on the table trying to one up each other.

Seriously, what do you guys have to be proud of at TSA? Yeah you guys are finally getting out of the gutter and seeing movement. But wasn't it just over 10 years ago the Hulas ***** slapped you with GoJets? This wasn't the first time a sleazy regional CEO did this, anyone remember the original Freedom Air? Same idea as GoJets but forced upon the Mesa pilots, however, the Mesa pilots actually did something about it and it wasn't just coming on a message board to bash Freedom. Mesa used negotiating capital to bring the Freedom Air flying back to the Mesa pilots and it was all done in the post 9/11 airline arena that sucked a$$. So crap on the Mesa contract all you want, but it doesn't mean you guys are winning by any stretch of the imagination.

Back to the 50 seater. Straight up, it's a dying breed. So rejoice all you want but those with the 70/76 seat flying are the long-term survivors in this game. UAL is maintaining the position that a 50 seat jet has a place in our route system, however, they are also banking on our MEC caving more on scope and relaxing some of the block hour restrictions, sorry not interested. What I suspect will happen is that as the 50 seaters come up for heavy maintenance they will be put to pasture. Fact is that UAL wants the max allowable 70/76 seat aircraft per the UPA. With that desire comes tighter block hour restrictions for UAX at 68% UAX Block Hours to UAL Narrow Body Block Hours. With that they can have a total of 325 70/76 airframes, and 450 total airframes (125 50 seaters). 68% spread over 450 airframes will most likely lead to lower than desired aircraft utilization. Oh yeah, and they need to introduce a NEW small narrow body fleet to the mainline.

UAL is actively seeking out a 90 seat aircraft for mainline to fly. That 90 seat aircraft will most likely re-claim the heavier, longer stage length legs like IAH-YEG, BDL, etc freeing up the UAX airframes for shorter stage length legs and growing smaller markets. Those smaller markets would be the markets that the 50 seater currently operates to, a trickle down if you will. Management is championing these new 70/76 seat jets coming on line because they offer the same exact product as mainline with First Class, Econ Plus, and eventually wi-fi entertainment building up the ancillary income those products provide. No such investment is or will be made to the 50 seaters.

So enjoy those "new" airplanes being transferred to you from another regional but don't think it is long term growth you are seeing.

Originally Posted by theycallmered

That was actually a completely logical, well-thought out post, which is rare on here. Pilottim should be a Fox news pundit, spewing nonsense and refuting science.

Originally Posted by minimwage4

Tsa is supposed to get the MRJ. They can easily do a one for one deal with ERJs that will time out next few years. Not saying it will happen but they do have long term growth in mind.

Originally Posted by Coneydog

Exactly. Trans States is a great place to be right now. Positive work environment, good contract, and ability to quickly gain PIC time in order to help you move on to a major. In addition to this, they are also planning for the future (as minimum wage just said). Why people feel compelled to come on here and spew their negative views is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Coneydog

Exactly. Trans States is a great place to be right now. Positive work environment, good contract, and ability to quickly gain PIC time in order to help you move on to a major. In addition to this, they are also planning for the future (as minimum wage just said). Why people feel compelled to come on here and spew their negative views is beyond me.

Originally Posted by minimwage4

Tsa is supposed to get the MRJ. They can easily do a one for one deal with ERJs that will time out next few years. Not saying it will happen but they do have long term growth in mind.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3

Wait...aren't most of those planes United and AAG property? How many 145s does TSA really owns to be doing deals with Mitsubishi?

Serious question here.