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01-13-2015, 09:12 AM
#6731
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 465
I didn't give any misinformation. I'm just pointing out that the TSA contract is average and the awac, xjt, horizon contracts are above average. And I used the comparison between the TSA contract and XJT contract to illustrate my point that the TSA is indeed just an average contract.
I've conceded that there was 2 pieces of information (3 if you want to include your future per diem increase) that were incorrect. But I also pointed out that despite those corrections, the TSA contract is just average.
Why do you all take it so personal?
I've conceded that there was 2 pieces of information (3 if you want to include your future per diem increase) that were incorrect. But I also pointed out that despite those corrections, the TSA contract is just average.
Why do you all take it so personal?
It happened so long ago, and I really don't feel like fishing through pages to prove it, but I know for a fact that was your original stance when you came on here. We had a below average contract, and due to us having such a terrible contract our management secured extra flying. Whether you want to back track now doesn't refute the fact that you came on here and originally tried to make us look like scum.
As time has gone on, I think you have at least seen that it is not below average. Sure there are areas that are below average when compared to other regional carriers, but there are also areas that I would say are above average. Which, at the end of the day, averages out to be average. C's get degrees.
We have a chance to make some minor improvements in negotiations, and I hope we do that. If you are expecting us to take a stand for an industry leading contract, leading to a labor dispute, you are sorely mistaken. This group has been through enough sh!t in the last 10 years, and it is kind of nice to have a little bit of labor peace and a good relationship with management. It would be nice to keep things that way.
01-13-2015, 09:28 AM
#6732
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
I don't think anyone takes offense to the fact that we have an average contract overall. We know that, I'm not on here saying our contract is one step below a legacy contract. What we took offense too, way back a few months ago, was being called a scumbag airline with a roach contract.
It happened so long ago, and I really don't feel like fishing through pages to prove it, but I know for a fact that was your original stance when you came on here. We had a below average contract, and due to us having such a terrible contract our management secured extra flying. Whether you want to back track now doesn't refute the fact that you came on here and originally tried to make us look like scum.
As time has gone on, I think you have at least seen that it is not below average. Sure there are areas that are below average when compared to other regional carriers, but there are also areas that I would say are above average. Which, at the end of the day, averages out to be average. C's get degrees.
We have a chance to make some minor improvements in negotiations, and I hope we do that. If you are expecting us to take a stand for an industry leading contract, leading to a labor dispute, you are sorely mistaken. This group has been through enough sh!t in the last 10 years, and it is kind of nice to have a little bit of labor peace and a good relationship with management. It would be nice to keep things that way.
It happened so long ago, and I really don't feel like fishing through pages to prove it, but I know for a fact that was your original stance when you came on here. We had a below average contract, and due to us having such a terrible contract our management secured extra flying. Whether you want to back track now doesn't refute the fact that you came on here and originally tried to make us look like scum.
As time has gone on, I think you have at least seen that it is not below average. Sure there are areas that are below average when compared to other regional carriers, but there are also areas that I would say are above average. Which, at the end of the day, averages out to be average. C's get degrees.
We have a chance to make some minor improvements in negotiations, and I hope we do that. If you are expecting us to take a stand for an industry leading contract, leading to a labor dispute, you are sorely mistaken. This group has been through enough sh!t in the last 10 years, and it is kind of nice to have a little bit of labor peace and a good relationship with management. It would be nice to keep things that way.
And I have realized that there are some things in your contract that are better than I thought, like your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. Along with the couple of errors on the contract comparison document I've posted. And I've mentioned that on many occasions throughout this thread. But you are the FIRST person that actually agrees with me now when I say you have an average contract. And that was my initial issue with a few of the posts made on here about your contract being above average.
With that said, I don't expect anyone to take a stand anymore. Hell, even my own mec tried to sell us concessions. But I do hope that with the knowledge that your contract is just average, you won't settle because you think its already above average when it isn't.
01-13-2015, 09:35 AM
#6733
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,935
I didn't give any misinformation. I'm just pointing out that the TSA contract is average and the awac, xjt, horizon contracts are above average. And I used the comparison between the TSA contract and XJT contract to illustrate my point that the TSA is indeed just an average contract.
I've conceded that there was 2 pieces of information (3 if you want to include your future per diem increase) that were incorrect. But I also pointed out that despite those corrections, the TSA contract is just average.
Why do you all take it so personal?
I've conceded that there was 2 pieces of information (3 if you want to include your future per diem increase) that were incorrect. But I also pointed out that despite those corrections, the TSA contract is just average.
Why do you all take it so personal?
01-13-2015, 09:40 AM
#6734
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
I'm just responding to other posters. Its not like you guys don't keep saying your contract is above average over and over again. I just try to show you in different ways how its not.
01-13-2015, 10:43 AM
#6735
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 582
the butt hurt is strong with this one...
01-13-2015, 10:48 AM
#6736
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,935
You're just wasting your time. Cause we provided information that it is above average. Find something better to do with your time sheesh.
01-13-2015, 04:38 PM
#6740
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 511
I never called you a scumbag airline. Maybe you have me confused with another poster. In another thread, I questioned your CFQO policy as it pertains to your current FOs and their seniority rights. But that was another thread and not germane to this conversation.
And I have realized that there are some things in your contract that are better than I thought, like your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. Along with the couple of errors on the contract comparison document I've posted. And I've mentioned that on many occasions throughout this thread. But you are the FIRST person that actually agrees with me now when I say you have an average contract. And that was my initial issue with a few of the posts made on here about your contract being above average.
With that said, I don't expect anyone to take a stand anymore. Hell, even my own mec tried to sell us concessions. But I do hope that with the knowledge that your contract is just average, you won't settle because you think its already above average when it isn't.
And I have realized that there are some things in your contract that are better than I thought, like your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. Along with the couple of errors on the contract comparison document I've posted. And I've mentioned that on many occasions throughout this thread. But you are the FIRST person that actually agrees with me now when I say you have an average contract. And that was my initial issue with a few of the posts made on here about your contract being above average.
With that said, I don't expect anyone to take a stand anymore. Hell, even my own mec tried to sell us concessions. But I do hope that with the knowledge that your contract is just average, you won't settle because you think its already above average when it isn't.
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