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12-26-2014, 01:44 PM
#6331
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: EMB-145 FO
Posts: 10
When I said "some" I guess I just mean Nevets...
12-26-2014, 01:51 PM
#6332
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 558
Nevets, please take some more time and post all the regional airline contracts together, do we can figure out what average is. Thanks.
12-26-2014, 02:38 PM
#6335
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 504
Nevets only includes companies with bigger or same size airplanes. He conveniently ignores all companies with smaller planes. Hard for TSA to win when comparing pay rates against 70 seaters, yet we still beat probably 4 70 seat operaters easy.
12-26-2014, 04:10 PM
#6336
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Your comparison documents your using are wrong. I've seen them. Vacation and sick accrual and 401k are not good. Health care is a couple percent within average. Again you keep directly comparing xjt and tsa contracts. Stop doing that. Do the math and tell me what the exact average of all regionals are. Btw your rig is not that great at 2/3 hours. My friends at xjt say it rarely pays out. In August our per diem will match yours
As for the ASA rigs, yeah, its almost useless because its a scheduled rig. Again, I've said this before, the XJT contract has some below average items (rigs not being one of them by the way since only 3 regionals have them to begin with) and TSA has some above average items such as your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. But on balance, its below average.
It appears to me that some are having trouble understanding the English word "average"
I have been speaking English for about 28 years now, this link may provide some clarification for you.
Here you go.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...=off&q=average
I have been speaking English for about 28 years now, this link may provide some clarification for you.
Here you go.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...=off&q=average
av·er·age
1. constituting the result obtained by adding together several quantities and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
If the top 3 numbers are 100, then next 10 numbers are 85, and the last 5 numbers are 75, then the average is around 85. AWAC, XJT, and Horizon are in the top 3, TSA is in the middle 10, and others are in the lower 5.
This is why I say that only three regionals are above average. Its math.
Its comical how this now comes up now. I've been on this thread for only a few weeks. And I've gone back and forth with you specifically about this and yet this is the FIRST time you bring this up. You are trying to move the goal post when I haven't even ONCE mentioned pay rates for bigger aircraft. The only thing I've been specifically comparing is work rules, and those apply to everyone regardless of what size aircraft you fly.
12-26-2014, 04:20 PM
#6337
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,935
The document from the Mesa MEC that I've posted multiple times had two insurances that I've corrected in the TSA contract summary I've posted. It shows that the TSA contract, with the corrections, is average. I don't understand why you take that truth personally. All the comparisons I've posted include ALL regionals. The XJT and TSA contract summaries I've posted are just examples of an above average contract versus an average contract. The differences are VAST!
As for the ASA rigs, yeah, its almost useless because its a scheduled rig. Again, I've said this before, the XJT contract has some below average items (rigs not being one of them by the way since only 3 regionals have them to begin with) and TSA has some above average items such as your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. But on balance, its below average.
From your link:
av·er·age
1. constituting the result obtained by adding together several quantities and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
If the top 3 numbers are 100, then next 10 numbers are 85, and the last 5 numbers are 75, then the average is around 85. AWAC, XJT, and Horizon are in the top 3, TSA is in the middle 10, and others are in the lower 5.
This is why I say that only three regionals are above average. Its math.
I've done it multiple times already on this thread as recently as today.
No, I have specifically NOT posted any pay rates for any size aircraft whatsoever! Pay rates are just multipliers of your work rules. Which is why I've concentrated on work rules.
Its comical how this now comes up now. I've been on this thread for only a few weeks. And I've gone back and forth with you specifically about this and yet this is the FIRST time you bring this up. You are trying to move the goal post when I haven't even ONCE mentioned pay rates for bigger aircraft. The only thing I've been specifically comparing is work rules, and those apply to everyone regardless of what size aircraft you fly.
As for the ASA rigs, yeah, its almost useless because its a scheduled rig. Again, I've said this before, the XJT contract has some below average items (rigs not being one of them by the way since only 3 regionals have them to begin with) and TSA has some above average items such as your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. But on balance, its below average.
From your link:
av·er·age
1. constituting the result obtained by adding together several quantities and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
If the top 3 numbers are 100, then next 10 numbers are 85, and the last 5 numbers are 75, then the average is around 85. AWAC, XJT, and Horizon are in the top 3, TSA is in the middle 10, and others are in the lower 5.
This is why I say that only three regionals are above average. Its math.
I've done it multiple times already on this thread as recently as today.
No, I have specifically NOT posted any pay rates for any size aircraft whatsoever! Pay rates are just multipliers of your work rules. Which is why I've concentrated on work rules.
Its comical how this now comes up now. I've been on this thread for only a few weeks. And I've gone back and forth with you specifically about this and yet this is the FIRST time you bring this up. You are trying to move the goal post when I haven't even ONCE mentioned pay rates for bigger aircraft. The only thing I've been specifically comparing is work rules, and those apply to everyone regardless of what size aircraft you fly.
12-26-2014, 04:24 PM
#6338
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,606
The document from the Mesa MEC that I've posted multiple times had two insurances that I've corrected in the TSA contract summary I've posted. It shows that the TSA contract, with the corrections, is average. I don't understand why you take that truth personally. All the comparisons I've posted include ALL regionals. The XJT and TSA contract summaries I've posted are just examples of an above average contract versus an average contract. The differences are VAST!
As for the ASA rigs, yeah, its almost useless because its a scheduled rig. Again, I've said this before, the XJT contract has some below average items (rigs not being one of them by the way since only 3 regionals have them to begin with) and TSA has some above average items such as your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. But on balance, its below average.
From your link:
av·er·age
1. constituting the result obtained by adding together several quantities and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
If the top 3 numbers are 100, then next 10 numbers are 85, and the last 5 numbers are 75, then the average is around 85. AWAC, XJT, and Horizon are in the top 3, TSA is in the middle 10, and others are in the lower 5.
This is why I say that only three regionals are above average. Its math.
I've done it multiple times already on this thread as recently as today.
No, I have specifically NOT posted any pay rates for any size aircraft whatsoever! Pay rates are just multipliers of your work rules. Which is why I've concentrated on work rules.
Its comical how this now comes up now. I've been on this thread for only a few weeks. And I've gone back and forth with you specifically about this and yet this is the FIRST time you bring this up. You are trying to move the goal post when I haven't even ONCE mentioned pay rates for bigger aircraft. The only thing I've been specifically comparing is work rules, and those apply to everyone regardless of what size aircraft you fly.
As for the ASA rigs, yeah, its almost useless because its a scheduled rig. Again, I've said this before, the XJT contract has some below average items (rigs not being one of them by the way since only 3 regionals have them to begin with) and TSA has some above average items such as your commuter policy and uniform reimbursement. But on balance, its below average.
From your link:
av·er·age
1. constituting the result obtained by adding together several quantities and then dividing this total by the number of quantities.
If the top 3 numbers are 100, then next 10 numbers are 85, and the last 5 numbers are 75, then the average is around 85. AWAC, XJT, and Horizon are in the top 3, TSA is in the middle 10, and others are in the lower 5.
This is why I say that only three regionals are above average. Its math.
I've done it multiple times already on this thread as recently as today.
No, I have specifically NOT posted any pay rates for any size aircraft whatsoever! Pay rates are just multipliers of your work rules. Which is why I've concentrated on work rules.
Its comical how this now comes up now. I've been on this thread for only a few weeks. And I've gone back and forth with you specifically about this and yet this is the FIRST time you bring this up. You are trying to move the goal post when I haven't even ONCE mentioned pay rates for bigger aircraft. The only thing I've been specifically comparing is work rules, and those apply to everyone regardless of what size aircraft you fly.
12-26-2014, 04:44 PM
#6339
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 996
Then your pay is below average. And you're telling me after XJT and AWAC and Horizon the next 10 regionals are the exact same average? You're crazy.
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