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Old 12-21-2014, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lear 31 pilot
Here is the FAR PT 135 rule for what counts towards the time requirement.



(a) No certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command in passenger-carrying operations—

(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
I have no idea what this applies to but not to 121. Here are the rules we must abide by and why our requirements for the CQFO program are as such.

-Meet all requirements in prior rules; and

-At least 1,000 flight hours in air carrier operations (as co-pilot in Part 121 operations, as Captain in fractional ownership operations, as Captain in Part 135 turbojet, commuter, or 10 or more passenger seat operations, or any combination thereof).

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Old 12-21-2014, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I think it would also depend on what kind of of 135 flying you've been doing. While I'm sure you'd have no problem flying the airplane, I don't know that the best place to figure out 121 flying is in the left seat with new FO.
I agree with this and know the learning curve for some new CQFOs will be STEEP. That being said if they meet our hiring minimums and pass the interview they deserve a shot I guess. Maybe 50 hours of IOE is in their future. Maybe they don't make it. I just know I am glad I am not the chief pilot for some of these guys.
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Old 12-21-2014, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I think it would also depend on what kind of of 135 flying you've been doing. While I'm sure you'd have no problem flying the airplane, I don't know that the best place to figure out 121 flying is in the left seat with new FO.
I did 135 ( almost 2 years) flying in a Falcon 20 ( Freight) before I got hired at XJT in 2004. 121 was a cake walk to what you have to do in 135 flying. It would not take long for the transition. Maybe a two or three 4 day pairing would do the trick.
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Old 12-21-2014, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dukeuno
I did 135 ( almost 2 years) flying in a Falcon 20 ( Freight) before I got hired at XJT in 2004. 121 was a cake walk to what you have to do in 135 flying. It would not take long for the transition. Maybe a two or three 4 day pairing would do the trick.
Yeah, hence the reason I am trying to leave Pt 135 flying, it seems to be a constant mess, incompetent companies, pilots, no dispatch, no protection, crummy airplanes and the list goes on and on.
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Old 12-21-2014, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dukeuno
I did 135 ( almost 2 years) flying in a Falcon 20 ( Freight) before I got hired at XJT in 2004. 121 was a cake walk to what you have to do in 135 flying. It would not take long for the transition. Maybe a two or three 4 day pairing would do the trick.
Thanks, everyone, for chiming in. It sounds like no matter how they counted my time I would qualify for the program even if they only counted my PIC turbo jet time (1500 hrs) and discounted my MU2 single pilot ops, and BE20 crewed ops. I'd imagine the learning curve would be steep. However I'm sure I could handle it. It would be tough climbing in that cockpit doing a couple checks and letting everyone else do the hard work.
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Old 12-21-2014, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lear 31 pilot
Yeah, hence the reason I am trying to leave Pt 135 flying, it seems to be a constant mess, incompetent companies, pilots, no dispatch, no protection, crummy airplanes and the list goes on and on.
135 bloooooows...! Did that way to long.
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Old 12-21-2014, 06:10 PM
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135 bloooooows...! Did that way to long.
Exactly. In many 135 cases the operation is a one man show. The PIC gets the call "Take MR. X from A to B." "Dispatches" job is now done, companies responsibility is over. The PIC gets the SIC headed to the airport, files plans, gets over flights, coordinates customs, apis, out bound stamp, weather, fuel order, pays for fuel, completes performance (all performance, second segment, bla bla), makes decisions about were to buy fuel based on cost (or else gets yelled at), gets hotel rooms, rental cars, cleans and restocks plane after return. Go home get called back 7.5 hrs later because the owner of the plane wants to do a "91" flight.
When I started doing it over a decade ago it was fun, exciting. Did this type of flying all through my 20's in pistons, turbo props and jets. Looking to change things up a bit in my 30's and see what the 121 guys have to complain about.
Like all of us, wouldn't change a thing if I could do it again!
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Old 12-21-2014, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Southernpilot
Exactly. In many 135 cases the operation is a one man show. The PIC gets the call "Take MR. X from A to B." "Dispatches" job is now done, companies responsibility is over. The PIC gets the SIC headed to the airport, files plans, gets over flights, coordinates customs, apis, out bound stamp, weather, fuel order, pays for fuel, completes performance (all performance, second segment, bla bla), makes decisions about were to buy fuel based on cost (or else gets yelled at), gets hotel rooms, rental cars, cleans and restocks plane after return. Go home get called back 7.5 hrs later because the owner of the plane wants to do a "91" flight.
When I started doing it over a decade ago it was fun, exciting. Did this type of flying all through my 20's in pistons, turbo props and jets. Looking to change things up a bit in my 30's and see what the 121 guys have to complain about.
Like all of us, wouldn't change a thing if I could do it again!
Your PIC did all that?? Haha...That sounds like an awesome operation for an SIC like myself. That mostly falls under SIC duties in my operation...I look forward to the 121 world myself. Interview tomorrow!
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Old 12-21-2014, 06:30 PM
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Your PIC did all that?? Haha...That sounds like an awesome operation for an SIC like myself. That mostly falls under SIC duties in my operation...I look forward to the 121 world myself. Interview tomorrow!
Good Luck! Relax and have fun at the interview, hope to fly with you soon!
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:00 PM
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Good Luck! Relax and have fun at the interview, hope to fly with you soon!
Much appreciated. Looking forward to it!
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