ILOVELAMP

Sorry to disrupt the ****ing match lol,... I am interviewing Friday for CQFO and I have looked over the Willflyforfood gouge and other gouges. Was just wondering if I can get any last minute info from you guys who are in the know? Please PM me if you can thanks.

RgrMurdock

Most people on here don't know TSA's contract but lambaste us for having "the worst contract" or "horrible contract." It makes me laugh. I know, it's not the best. I've never said it was. But people that think the growth is due to a sub standard contract are just wrong. On most issues, it is above average. Yes there are below average sections. But the contract taken as a whole is above industry average. It was that way when we negotiated it several years ago and the industry has only gone in the opposite direction since then.

TeamRamRod

Agreed, agreed. If you've talked to one, you've talked to them all.

flyingreasemnky

Comparison Numbers pulled from APC:

Captain Pay
Comp Trans States | ExpressJet | Skywest* | AWAC
YR 8/2014 | 8/2015 | 145 | 200 | 200 | 200
1 $61.91 | $62.84 | $62 | $57 | $61 | $64
2 $64.42 | $65.39 | $64 | $60 | $63 | $67
3 $66.93 | $67.93 | $65 | $64 | $66 | $70
4 $69.16 | $70.20 | $67 | $66 | $68 | $72
5 $71.26 | $72.33 | $69 | $68 | $70 | $74
6 $73.41 | $74.52 | $72 | $70 | $72 | $76
7 $75.42 | $76.55 | $73 | $73 | $74 | $79
8 $77.69 | $78.86 | $75 | $75 | $76 | $81
9 $80.10 | $81.30 | $77 | $77 | $79 | $83
10 $82.56 | $83.80 | $80 | $80 | $82 | $86
11 $85.04 | $86.31 | $82 | $82 | $84 | $89
12 $87.71 | $89.03 | $85 | $85 | $87 | $91
13 $90.28 | $91.63 | $87 | $87 | $89 | $94
14 $92.93 | $94.33 | $90 | $90 | $92 | $97
15 $95.34 | $96.77 | $91 | $93 | $95 | $99
16 $97.41 | $98.87 | $93 | $96 | $98 | $102
17 $99.36 | $100.86| $95 | $98 | $100 | $104
18 $101.43 | $102.96|$97| $100 | $103 | $106

*Skywest's rate continues til year 20 and tops out at $107

First Officer Pay Rates
Comp Trans States | ExpressJet | Skywest | AWAC
YR 8/2014 | 8/2015 | 145 | 200 | 200 | 200
1 $24.92 | $25.29 | $23 | $23 | $24 | $27
2 $35.28 | $35.81 | $34 | $36 | $37 | $40
3 $38.02 | $38.59 | $37 | $39 | $39 | $42
4 $39.98 | $40.58 | $39 | $40 | $41 | $43
5 $41.06 | $41.68 | $40 | $41 | $42 | $44
6 $42.06 | $42.69 | $41 | $42 | $43 | $46
7 $43.00 | $43.64 | $43 | $44 | $45 | $47
8 $43.68 | $44.33 | $44 | $44 | $46 | $49

At multiple steps, Trans States pays better than Expressjet and right in line with Skywest if not better. Nobody even really compares to AWAC's 50 seat rate. I can post the greater than 50 seat rates for you if you want me to compare against Horizon.

I have already posted almost all work rules earlier in this thread. After searching through some of the MOUs, only thing I have to add is Long Call/Short Call reserve rules. Would you like to compare? The reason Trans States is cheaper is just due to lower longevity of its employees. Its the same reason Compass is cheaper even though its rates aren't that far behind other carriers. Who do you think will be cheaper: a company with its average captain longevity at 10 years or one at 1-2 years?

Pilottim79

On top of all this lets now compare upgrade times. Who cares if FO pay is 2 dollars more when one has already upgraded.

crflyer

As long as you have a pulse, they'll eat you up.

ILOVELAMP

Damn I'm a heartless bastard! lol

flynavyj

Just out of curiosity.

The PDF here shows what the CQFO pay rate is for years 1 and 2.

It also mentions the benefits of the hire rate, but doesn't mention anything about being paid at the CA rate. Is the pay guidance for CQFO's contained in the contract that specifically mentions the higher pay for flying as a CA?

Also noted that your first 9 months are paid at $24.92/Hr, so for year one you only pull 3 months of CQFO pay...and 12 months of CQFO pay the following year. Boo.

WarpSpeed

Okay clown, I'll do one comparison for you, but I don't have all night to sit here (like you) and argue with someone who knows everything and is never ever wrong. My hourly pay is a few pennies higher than the same seniority SKW captain. For some reason the TS APC profile hasn't been updated to show the true rates we have gotten since the last contract signing. DID YOU SEE WHAT I JUST SAID? And you obviously don't realize why GoJet was even started so you might not wanna use that comparison. I'm not bashing on GoJet but Compass is owned by TSH too and I noticed you didn't throw them into the mix.

So now, I guess you're going to tell me I'm wrong about what my hourly pay is. I didn't look at 401k because we don't all contribute...some of us are at a point where we can manage our own investments. Insurance is pretty much in line with the others and if you want to get in a wad about $25 a month in per diem then knock yourself out. Oh yea, unlimited commuter clause too...

Things have gotten so much better in the past few years whether you butt injureds like it or not. I'm sorry some of you lose so much sleep over the fact that right now TS pilots are happy.

flyingreasemnky

Trans States Pilot CBA Section 3.I.4-6:
"4. A pilot who becomes qualified to perform duties in a higher paying position will be paid that higher rate upon completing his training, including initial operating experience.

5. When a pilot holding a full captain’s bid is assigned to first officer duties during any portion of the month, such pilot will be paid for all trips flown during the month at captain rates.

6. When a pilot holding a first officer bid is assigned to captain duties during any portion of the month, such pilot will be paid for all trips flown as captain at captain rates. When a captain qualified first officer flies trips as a first officer, he will be paid for all trips flown as a first officer at a rate equal to the average of the captain and first officer rate for that equipment (rounded up to the nearest cent)."

So your first 3 months in training are paid at 24.92 and the rest of the year will be paid at CQFO rates (from completion of OE).