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12-09-2014, 02:13 PM
#5732
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 221
I hope it works out that way, but the things you are saying are admitting to the inherent risk of taking the deal. Like you say though, the likelihood of that happening are slim, but we all know how fickle the regional industry is. Today's best bet, is tomorrow's worst nightmare. Plus, so what if they have to downgrade? Wouldn't that save them money anyway? Downgrades happen all the time. You just said the CQFOs could be displaced anyway. I here what you are saying about the chance for PIC time. I just think its a big risk, depending on what an individuals situation is of course. I also know that there have been quite a few FOs hired without the PIC time. Not saying PIC time isn't valuable. Just that if you can round out your resume with other, non aviation related things, it might be a safer bet. We shall see in the future.
Really wish people would stop calling it a risk or uncertain.
Newsflash: going to a frickin major is still a risk. You have no idea what merger happens tomorrow or who goes bankrupt in 2 years. EVERYTHING IS A RISK. If you're digging for reasons to justify staying where you are, knock yourself out. Don't complain 5 years down the road when there's someone that made the move and you just sat there with your hands in your pockets because you were scared of the risk.
12-09-2014, 02:42 PM
#5733
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 419
Did you really just compare a regional to mainline ? I was actually considering the job at TSA, but apparently asking valid questions because leaving my airline when Im about two years from upgrade with a good schedule and QOL is risky. You can't say that the regionals aren't more of a risk then mainline. Apples and oranges man
12-09-2014, 03:17 PM
#5734
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 465
I took a risk walking to the bathroom, half asleep, to take a dump this morning, but it turned out GREAT.
Really wish people would stop calling it a risk or uncertain.
Newsflash: going to a frickin major is still a risk. You have no idea what merger happens tomorrow or who goes bankrupt in 2 years. EVERYTHING IS A RISK. If you're digging for reasons to justify staying where you are, knock yourself out. Don't complain 5 years down the road when there's someone that made the move and you just sat there with your hands in your pockets because you were scared of the risk.
Really wish people would stop calling it a risk or uncertain.
Newsflash: going to a frickin major is still a risk. You have no idea what merger happens tomorrow or who goes bankrupt in 2 years. EVERYTHING IS A RISK. If you're digging for reasons to justify staying where you are, knock yourself out. Don't complain 5 years down the road when there's someone that made the move and you just sat there with your hands in your pockets because you were scared of the risk.
Did you really just compare a regional to mainline ? I was actually considering the job at TSA, but apparently asking valid questions because leaving my airline when Im about two years from upgrade with a good schedule and QOL is risky. You can't say that the regionals aren't more of a risk then mainline. Apples and oranges man
You've asked valid questions, they've been answered. If you want to get into the semantics as to why they are doing CQFO's and not making amendments to the contract to hire street captains, we don't know. No one knows, and no one has that answer for you. If that's what is holding you back, then you are looking a little too deep into this.
Look at the facts. 50 airplanes for growth means we need a minimum of 500 pilots. We currently have 400 on property, of which, roughly 300 are active line pilots. We will need somewhere in the neighborhood of 900 ish on property in the next 18 months to be semi staffed. Out of those active pilots, we currently only have about 35 FO's that meet the minimums for upgrade. Those FO's will all be in the left seat before the spring ends. Which means guys coming on property with the time, or close to the time, will hold Captain before the fall. Easily.
Will we have FO's start to meet the requirements over time? Yes, but it is going to take AT LEAST 18 - 20 months before every single FO on property right now meets those mins. We will have a few guys a month sprinkled in over the next year that meet those mins that will then upgrade. It will not be nearly enough to displace you back to the right seat.
To break out the numbers on the upgrades. In February and March we start taking delivery of United airplanes at an average of 2.5/month. I've been told we will take more than that the first few months and then it will taper off to the 2.5 average. We start, in April or March ( I can't remember which one ), taking 5 airplanes a month between the American airplanes and United airplanes. That pace will continue through November.
This means by about February we will have to upgrade roughly 20 - 25/ month through november. Thats 9 straight months of solid upgrades at that rate. The upgrades will then continue through first quarter of 2016 to finish staffing the United birds.
Long story short, massive movement, and if you start soon you will hold Captain very very soon. Much quicker than the 2 year schedule you have where you are.
12-09-2014, 03:38 PM
#5735
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 465
Classes are filling up. 16 in the next class, and January 5th class is full. Get your stuff in now.
12-09-2014, 03:44 PM
#5736
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 221
Did you really just compare a regional to mainline ? I was actually considering the job at TSA, but apparently asking valid questions because leaving my airline when Im about two years from upgrade with a good schedule and QOL is risky. You can't say that the regionals aren't more of a risk then mainline. Apples and oranges man
Just heard the First January class is FULL with 16 people. Lets hear all the staffing/hiring haters out there.....
12-09-2014, 03:47 PM
#5737
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 170
Did you really just compare a regional to mainline ? I was actually considering the job at TSA, but apparently asking valid questions because leaving my airline when Im about two years from upgrade with a good schedule and QOL is risky. You can't say that the regionals aren't more of a risk then mainline. Apples and oranges man
12-09-2014, 03:55 PM
#5740
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Posts: 465
All I can say is if I were at any regional, and I wasn't looking at upgrading in the next 1.5 years, plus I meet the mins, I would be running here.
Everyone can say what they want about regional FO's getting hired without PIC, but that's a short list. TPIC still outweighs 121 SIC no matter how you slice it, and TSA will be offering plenty of that.
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