Nevets

Too many times below average for your contract to be above average. Too be above average, there needs to be times above average, at least enough to offset the below average items. You contract falls short.

The document I'm referencing is the one from MESA as well but from September 2014.


This is from a previous post.

This is below average:

Minimum guarantee of 74 hours for reserve
No minimum duty pay for line holder
No trip or duty rigs and no minimum trip pay
Vacation pay 3.25 hours per day
Minimum days off line holder 11 days
Sick accrual rate, maximum bank, and first year usage
401k matching
No B fund company contributions
DH pay of 75%

These things seem average:

Per diem $1.70
Line holder minimum monthly guarantee 75 hours
Minimum days off reserve 11 days
Cancellation pay
Block or better
Vacation accrual
Pay rates

These things I don't have information on:

Percentage of healthcare premiums paid by company
Uniform allowance
LTD plan
OJI bank
Reserve rules

On balance, it's not above average.

TeamRamRod

Agreed. Great pilot group. Recent news will only continue to add to the good morale.

Pilottim79

DUDE! Take your butt hurt somewhere else. We really don't care what you think of our contract. Line holder Captain on our contract is way better than reserve FO on any contract at any regional anywhere, and this is the reality of the situation.

Go somewhere else and unwad your panties. You are really giving your airline a bad name by coming here and trash talking our contract.

CBreezy

You sir, are the definition of dense. These things "seem" to be average or below average? That's not math. That's indigestion.

I've asked you OVER AND OVER again to compare with other carriers. you can't just say "this is average." I know you might have a God complex but that doesn't mean you actually are God. What is Air Wisconsin's vacation pay? What is Expressjet's Trip/Duty rig? What is Compass's volunteer pay? You can claim that TSA's contract is below average, but that is a lie you've created to fit your rhetoric. Do you know what means or do I need to repeat myself 6 times for you to get it? Are there weaknesses in the contract? Absolutely. What is Expressjet's pay before the MV? Every contract is weak in areas RELATIVE TO THE INDUSTRY. Is it below average, bottom feeder, or concessionary? No. You have yet to prove to me how it is. Keep trying. Next time use real facts and not wet dreams.

Timma

And it's 75 hours for reserve... And 100% DH pay at TSA

Nevets

Well, I provided the link to the document as well. But it appears you didn't see it. Here it is again:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qiw82tgjo...rison.pdf?dl=0

Keep in mind that that document doesn't include those things in my list which I said I have no information for. Those items are huge. So if you can tell us what you have in those sections, I'll concede if they are up to par.



Thanks, someone had mentioned that to me but I didn't fix my paste and copy.

RgrMurdock

You're wrong on several things. 75 hours for reserve. 100% deadhead pay. 12 days off for a lineholder on a 31 day month. Per diem goes up to $1.80 this upcoming August. 4 hour min day for reservists.

You don't even know our own contract so I wouldn't go making comparisons to others.

Nevets

Yes, it must've been you that mentioned that before. But like I said last time, even with those corrections (from the MESA document 9/13) it's still below average.

Captindc1

Nevets,

It's very clear that you are not happy with TSA. You are trying to discourage everyone from coming here. Drop the whole contract thing! It is getting very old reading your posts and all they do is try to bash our contact. OUR CONTRACT IS GOOD! It's going to get even BETTER! You remind me of "that" kid on the playground always taking your ball home when people didn't follow your rules, but don't worry we have our own ball and its "above average"!

elmetal

What makes you guys think it's going to get better? People will flock there no matter what that contract says. Only when the upgrade fades and people stop moving to TSA will you have any leverage for a better contract. Think of where RAH is today. Your group is in no position to negotiate anything better than what you currently have.

Thinking you do is laughable. Your costs are why you're operating the aircraft, the quick upgrades will bring the pilots. Do you really think management will increase your compensation for no reason? Your cost makes their mainline co tract profitable, your gain of airplanes makes pilots show up. I fail to see the part where you have an advantage to somehow make a better contract of the deal.