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11-22-2014, 05:54 AM
#5371
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Position: EMB 145 Captain
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Something Not Mentioned
That wasn't the point of the discussion. The point was that CQFOs will make the blended rate until they are awarded a Captain upgrade even if displaced permanently to the right seat. And the $43 an hour blended rate is just for year one. Second year it goes to $ 50.60 which is more than any other FO pay rate. Most CQFOs will be spending the first year at Captain rates and will likely get an upgrade to Captain from which they won't be displaced. The few that do not won't be seeing many FO trips until they are no longer on year one pay.
Nice try though.
Nice try though.
11-22-2014, 09:14 AM
#5372
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Position: Taco Rocket Operator
Posts: 2,485
Captain Qualified First Officers are being hired because there simply are not enough First Officers that are qualified to upgrade as quickly as needed. That means, the blended rate everyone is talking about is only part of the equation. Most CQFOs will be hired and will fly from the left seat very quickly. When looking at the contract language, those individuals will not be paid the blended rate while in the left seat. Instead, they will be paid the first year Captain rate of pay anytime they are flying the left seat. The blended rate is merely the minimum rate of pay they can receive. Just a point of clarification.
Some of you folks are really funny. You think they are going to hire CQFOs willy nilly and end up paying upwards of $50 an hour for FOs for years? All they have to do is attract enough CQFOs till they have enough people on property that are Captain qualified for all the aircraft. Then they stop hiring CQFOs and go back to hiring the college CFIs to fill the right seat. When we get the last of the planes, all the CQFOs that want them are awarded Captain upgrades. They don't want these CQFOs in the right seat. They want them in the left seat as permanent Captains with brand new FOs in the right seat making regular FO pay.
All the blended pay rate is a guarantee that they will make more than FO pay if they come here because our contract does not allow for permanent street captains.
All the blended pay rate is a guarantee that they will make more than FO pay if they come here because our contract does not allow for permanent street captains.
11-23-2014, 03:17 PM
#5373
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: F/O
Posts: 156
Can anybody quote the specific language of the pilot contract regarding the CQFO's? Why even have it if you can simply bid for an open CA spot after you hit the line? Is the company just using the CQFO as a work around since the contract does't allow street captains?
11-26-2014, 01:41 AM
#5374
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: EMB145
Posts: 772
Anyone know when the next interview / class dates are? Waiting for Laura to reply back to my email.
11-26-2014, 06:41 AM
#5375
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 996
Class dates are two per month of about 20 to 30. Something like the 3rd and the 18th this month but typically one at the beginning of the month and one towards the middle of the month.
11-26-2014, 06:58 AM
#5376
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: V1. No turning back now.
Posts: 442
Captain Qualified First Officers are being hired because there simply are not enough First Officers that are qualified to upgrade as quickly as needed. That means, the blended rate everyone is talking about is only part of the equation. Most CQFOs will be hired and will fly from the left seat very quickly. When looking at the contract language, those individuals will not be paid the blended rate while in the left seat. Instead, they will be paid the first year Captain rate of pay anytime they are flying the left seat. The blended rate is merely the minimum rate of pay they can receive. Just a point of clarification.
11-26-2014, 07:22 AM
#5377
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,606
So, let me do some quick maths. Right now, according to the FAA, TSA has 30 registered airplanes. With 5.5 crews per airplane, that's about 320 pilots. I keep hearing that TSA is fat on pilots so let's say that have 370? In exactly one year, they'll have between 75-81 airplanes (I'm counting possible lease returns in that bottom number). If that's the case, they'll need no less than 415 and upwards (including management/training captains) of 485 CAPTAINS.
So, GVIN, to say that because you haven't upgraded and been waiting a year and thus correlating that they will have plenty of Captains is actually a really stupid statement. Even if the entire seniority list had the mins to upgrade right now, they'd STILL need 50-100 Captain eligible pilots who can upgrade by December. I'm betting there are quite a few FOs being hired right now with between 1000-1500 Total time that'll need at the very least 13-18 months to meet minimums for upgrade.
So, GVIN, to say that because you haven't upgraded and been waiting a year and thus correlating that they will have plenty of Captains is actually a really stupid statement. Even if the entire seniority list had the mins to upgrade right now, they'd STILL need 50-100 Captain eligible pilots who can upgrade by December. I'm betting there are quite a few FOs being hired right now with between 1000-1500 Total time that'll need at the very least 13-18 months to meet minimums for upgrade.
11-26-2014, 07:46 AM
#5378
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: V1. No turning back now.
Posts: 442
I'm not saying they will have or have plenty of Captains. I'm not in management and have no idea of what they are doing or planning on doing. Just stating the fact that there are several pilots ready to upgrade, and the upgrades are trickling over. My concern is the growth coming in from behind. New hires. I'm not sure of the classes going on now, but up to this point they have not had more than 15 in each. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
11-26-2014, 07:51 AM
#5379
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Position: Taco Rocket Operator
Posts: 2,485
I'm not saying they will have or have plenty of Captains. I'm not in management and have no idea of what they are doing or planning on doing. Just stating the fact that there are several pilots ready to upgrade, and the upgrades are trickling over. My concern is the growth coming in from behind. New hires. I'm not sure of the classes going on now, but up to this point they have not had more than 15 in each. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
11-26-2014, 10:04 AM
#5380
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 828
Don't do the CQFO position. Only hurting our industry!
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