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Old 11-21-2014, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamRamRod
"Senior" and "topped out" FOs are two different things pal.
That has nothing to do with what he said.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757
That has nothing to do with what he said.
What are you even doing here anyways?
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
Senior FO's at other airlines already make more than your $43 an hour blended rate.
That wasn't the point of the discussion. The point was that CQFOs will make the blended rate until they are awarded a Captain upgrade even if displaced permanently to the right seat. And the $43 an hour blended rate is just for year one. Second year it goes to $ 50.60 which is more than any other FO pay rate. Most CQFOs will be spending the first year at Captain rates and will likely get an upgrade to Captain from which they won't be displaced. The few that do not won't be seeing many FO trips until they are no longer on year one pay.

Nice try though.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:29 PM
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Some of you folks are really funny. You think they are going to hire CQFOs willy nilly and end up paying upwards of $50 an hour for FOs for years? All they have to do is attract enough CQFOs till they have enough people on property that are Captain qualified for all the aircraft. Then they stop hiring CQFOs and go back to hiring the college CFIs to fill the right seat. When we get the last of the planes, all the CQFOs that want them are awarded Captain upgrades. They don't want these CQFOs in the right seat. They want them in the left seat as permanent Captains with brand new FOs in the right seat making regular FO pay.

All the blended pay rate is a guarantee that they will make more than FO pay if they come here because our contract does not allow for permanent street captains.

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Old 11-21-2014, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverside
What are you even doing here anyways?
Sadly he's here in the vain hope that experienced FOs will be convinced not to come here for a great opportunity, the stars will align, United will be brought to its knees, and the transfer of aircraft from XJT will be cancelled. Unfortunately that is not going to happen. Nothing can stop this because the die was cast for this long ago by ExpressJet and United management.

As I said earlier I'm sorry that this his happening to ExpressJet, but this is the creation of your management and United, not TSA pilots. All our management did was bid on the flying. We took no paycuts, in fact we have extracted improvements in our contract from management over the last year because they needed our help to comply with 117. The biggest factor in our getting these contracts are the changes in management at TSA starting with KS and his ability to improve the airline and make it a good place to work where we are treated fairly. This has resulted in operational improvements to the airline.

We will be able to staff these aircraft because we have a good contract that will attract people for fast upgrades and others seeking a good opportunity. If Mesa can fill classes with their horrible contract, then TSA will have no problem.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamRamRod
How does it not? A senior FO could be a second year guy making $35/hr at the top of a junior seniority list. (A TSA guy that doesn't meet the mins next year) Topped out are all these guys waiting on their 7 year upgrade at Envoy/Xjet, making $40+ per hour. Two plus two equals four if you need help with that too.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamRamRod
^ Post for Hou757.
I did not see your earlier post. I apologize.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:19 PM
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I garuntee somebody at Unitard just said "I know I put expressjets phone number somewhere".
Good luck but spite, banks and major hiring is going to tickle.
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Old 11-22-2014, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 8ballfreight
I garuntee somebody at Unitard just said "I know I put expressjets phone number somewhere".
Good luck but spite, banks and major hiring is going to tickle.
Hopefully that person also knows how to spell check.
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Old 11-22-2014, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 8ballfreight
I garuntee somebody at Unitard just said "I know I put expressjets phone number somewhere".
Good luck but spite, banks and major hiring is going to tickle.
What in THE hell did you just say?
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