Originally Posted by DegeReguard

Umm, because i'm senior to them by two years. You're right its not "my" upgrade. How bout we just allow senior fo's to start displacing and downgrading people as we meet upgrade mins then if there are no more upgrade slots. Ya know, since we'll be senior to them by two years at minimum. Cause that sounds about as rediculous and argueing that a bunch of 2015 hires should upgrade before 2013 hires which is what you're doing.

The fact is neither me nor them are any more entitled to an upgrade. Its just the time honored tradition of a little thing called a SENORITY LIST.

I'm simply worried that by the time I have the upgrade mins where they currently are still a year from now (1.5 years since i'm about to be on military leave for 5 months) there will be no more upgrade classes running and i'll have to wait another 6 months or a year or whatever on top of that when the demand for captains was there and high the entire time and a simple and minor shift in the upgrade minimums by 500 hours, or less than 15% and i'd have been able to enjoy the career progession of this growth that everyone else gets to. And i'm not the only FO from 2013 that will be in the same boat. Far from it.

And just because a bunch of people had to wait 5 or 10 years to upgrade at other companies or have worked at 5 or 6 different regionals doesn't mean that I should have to. That was a different economy and a different generation. I paid my $150,000 and taught for 4.5 years making no money just like everyone else. I've been building my career for 6 years too and working just as hard. That "I walked to school two miles up hill in the snow back in my day attitude" is bull****. Your suffering is not my fault and you shouldn't get any special treatment now because of it.

Here's a thought, how about get out of the regionals and go to jet blue or virgin or frontier or spirit or air cargo or corporate and stop fighting for entry level jobs that are beneath you anyways.

Originally Posted by DegeReguard

Umm, because i'm senior to them by two years. You're right its not "my" upgrade. How bout we just allow senior fo's to start displacing and downgrading people as we meet upgrade mins then if there are no more upgrade slots. Ya know, since we'll be senior to them by two years at minimum. Cause that sounds about as rediculous and argueing that a bunch of 2015 hires should upgrade before 2013 hires which is what you're doing.

The fact is neither me nor them are any more entitled to an upgrade. Its just the time honored tradition of a little thing called a SENORITY LIST.

I'm simply worried that by the time I have the upgrade mins where they currently are still a year from now (1.5 years since i'm about to be on military leave for 5 months) there will be no more upgrade classes running and i'll have to wait another 6 months or a year or whatever on top of that when the demand for captains was there and high the entire time and a simple and minor shift in the upgrade minimums by 500 hours, or less than 15% and i'd have been able to enjoy the career progession of this growth that everyone else gets to. And i'm not the only FO from 2013 that will be in the same boat. Far from it.

And just because a bunch of people had to wait 5 or 10 years to upgrade at other companies or have worked at 5 or 6 different regionals doesn't mean that I should have to. That was a different economy and a different generation. I paid my $150,000 and taught for 4.5 years making no money just like everyone else. I've been building my career for 6 years too and working just as hard. That "I walked to school two miles up hill in the snow back in my day attitude" is bull****. Your suffering is not my fault and you shouldn't get any special treatment now because of it.

Here's a thought, how about get out of the regionals and go to jet blue or virgin or frontier or spirit or air cargo or corporate and stop fighting for entry level jobs that are beneath you anyways.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

Am I talking to a wall? I'll say it again. READ YOUR CONTRACT. As a union pilot, it is the EXACT thing you should have done when you heard they were hiring CQFOs. Someone earlier said the union won't allow them to hire street captains. I wonder why they make that distinction...

Originally Posted by TeamRamRod

THANK YOU! This argument, or lack thereof, sounds soooo similar to guys on reserve complaining about not flying. Read your damn contract. If you aren't flying and you haven't volunteered once in 6 months because you think RVL means airport reserve, I don't feel bad for you. This contract we fly under controls our job, and in turn, our life. Completely mind bottling that people don't take the time to read it.

Stemming off what MavAv8r said, every employee on property is PROTECTED. What does that mean? It means if you have the requirements to upgrade, a CQFO WILL NOT stay in the left seat and prevent anyone currently on property from upgrading. At that point, CQFOs will be downgraded to FOs as they get replaced by pilots currently on property as the get the call to upgrade. So to everyone that's currently at TSA, calm down! There shouldn't be a single one of you that's angry or upset right now. Your QOL just drastically took a turn for the better, and if you're an FO, you'll be a CPT faster than anyone else in the industry. Time to enjoy the ride a little bit....

Originally Posted by GliderCFI

And a CQFO that basically direct entry's to a CA seat cannot get displaced by a junior pilot unless there's displacements/downgrades, correct?

Originally Posted by kcflying

I just got a call from a union rep, saying 18 are replacements. Well written memos have never been their specialty

Originally Posted by FlyingKat

One thing to keep in mind if you get here at the start of this wave. If you are hired as a CQFO you can put a bid in for upgrade just like any other FO, and because we have a lot of FOs here who are not qualified for Captain, you can jump a bunch of these guys and get a regular bid to Captain from which you cannot be displaced by more Senior FOs.

Originally Posted by TeamRamRod

If I'm understanding you correctly, no. CQFOs will immediately be moved back to the right seat when FOs on property meet the requirements.

Example: ONCE STAFFED, lets say 10 FOs meet the requirements and they want to run an upgrade class of 10. All 10 of those pilots will upgrade, and the 10 most junior CQFOs will then return to the right seat after completing their FO ride and line check. Hope that helps everything make a little more sense.