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Old 11-12-2014, 11:25 AM
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So do you experienced TSA guys think that this CQFO program is merely a way for the company to offer CBA approved pay increases to F/O's to drive up the number of applicant vs. any real possibility of a rapid upgrade?

My niece is considering leaving RAH for this and tells me she received an email from a recruiter saying the CQFO rates are contractually binding. Is that true?

I may be an old crazy man with view some of ya'll don't care for but I'm just trying to make sure the young lady I raised makes good decisions. So I'd love some insight from you guys as to whether or not she should risk this.
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Old 11-12-2014, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Magpuller
So do you experienced TSA guys think that this CQFO program is merely a way for the company to offer CBA approved pay increases to F/O's to drive up the number of applicant vs. any real possibility of a rapid upgrade?

My niece is considering leaving RAH for this and tells me she received an email from a recruiter saying the CQFO rates are contractually binding. Is that true?

I may be an old crazy man with view some of ya'll don't care for but I'm just trying to make sure the young lady I raised makes good decisions. So I'd love some insight from you guys as to whether or not she should risk this.
Could be a little of both. Either way she'll see rapid movement. That doesn't mean better qol tho.
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Old 11-12-2014, 12:01 PM
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Can anyone post the CBA language regarding the CQFO? Or give a link to the full CBA?
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Old 11-12-2014, 01:47 PM
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Could be a little of both. Either way she'll see rapid movement. That doesn't mean better qol tho.
I'm mean.... she's at RAH. It doesn't get much worse
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Magpuller
So do you experienced TSA guys think that this CQFO program is merely a way for the company to offer CBA approved pay increases to F/O's to drive up the number of applicant vs. any real possibility of a rapid upgrade?

My niece is considering leaving RAH for this and tells me she received an email from a recruiter saying the CQFO rates are contractually binding. Is that true?

I may be an old crazy man with view some of ya'll don't care for but I'm just trying to make sure the young lady I raised makes good decisions. So I'd love some insight from you guys as to whether or not she should risk this.
I believe they are offering CQFO because they want people that are experienced to upgrade soon. I think the company thinks we are about to triple in size. Whether true or not this is what they believe.

Tell her to hop on it cause 200 other people stuck at FO with no upgrade in sight would gladly take the deal. Even if they just end up earning 44/hr as FO.
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:31 PM
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I don't think our contact allows street captains hence the cqfo
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:05 PM
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The contract does not allow street captains. CQFO is the best the company can do.
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
The contract does not allow street captains. CQFO is the best the company can do.

So is CQFO essentially offering new hire pilots with the upgrade minimums captain pay as first officers?

Heres a thought, what about lowering the upgrade minimums first so those of us who have already been on property for over a year and a half and have company expirence can upgrade before you start handing new hire fo's captain pay??

If we need to offer deals like cqfo for staffing cause god knows with our fleet nearly tripling we need something I understand but lets not alienate our current employees in the process. I cant be the only fo whos been here a year and a half or more that thinks this way.
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Old 11-12-2014, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DegeReguard
So is CQFO essentially offering new hire pilots with the upgrade minimums captain pay as first officers?

Heres a thought, what about lowering the upgrade minimums first so those of us who have already been on property for over a year and a half and have company expirence can upgrade before you start handing new hire fo's captain pay??

If we need to offer deals like cqfo for staffing cause god knows with our fleet nearly tripling we need something I understand but lets not alienate our current employees in the process. I cant be the only fo whos been here a year and a half or more that thinks this way.
I wish EVERY airline rewarded experienced, prior 121 folks with faster upgrades and higher payrates--it's the closest thing to a national seniority list we can achieve at the regional level.

Every other industry on Earth pays based on experience--airlines of all places should be the same way.
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Originally Posted by DegeReguard
So is CQFO essentially offering new hire pilots with the upgrade minimums captain pay as first officers?

Heres a thought, what about lowering the upgrade minimums first so those of us who have already been on property for over a year and a half and have company expirence can upgrade before you start handing new hire fo's captain pay??

If we need to offer deals like cqfo for staffing cause god knows with our fleet nearly tripling we need something I understand but lets not alienate our current employees in the process. I cant be the only fo whos been here a year and a half or more that thinks this way.
Your perspective will change if, down the road, you end up furloughed with 3,000 hours 121 time, and end up in a class at another regional with a bunch of sniveling Riddle/AllATP grads complaining because their upgrade didn't happen as fast as mommy & daddy said it was going to.
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