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Old 11-03-2015, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DegeReguard
I'm actively drilling in the Army Guard and working at Trans States.

The company is very military friendly. I get my leave and travel days for drill no questions asked. If you're activated just send a copy of the orders to our chief pilot and request the days, when you return it just takes a phone call and a little patience while they work in your training schedule and boom back on the line like you never even left.

My Chain of Command is actually harder to work with than TSA. Only issue i've had is trying to cordinate a SUTA to attend upgrade training as my Chain of Command doesn't understand and is not willing to understand how Airline upgrade training works and strongly believes that every employer on the planet should always simply get out of their way and there are never any employment circumstances like government regulated training that could ever possibly require any need for a SUTA and so unless a soldier is literally dead or dieing all drills must be attended always.

TSA has even called my COC and attempted to explain the training on my behalf, and since that didn't work, the assistant chief pilot and I are in regular contact well in advance of the formal bid awards and talking with the training scheduler to work around my drill schedule and still attend upgrade training. Literally the one week of ground school is the only snag point.

It looks like I will have to attend drill in December without using travel days and without having had any sleep, but that is not TSA's fault, that's my chain of command's fault for not having any understanding at all and taking out the fact that many of our other soldiers no show at drill all the time on soldiers with perfect attendance that have one legitimate reason to SUTA ever and have only asked for it once.

TSA has gone above and beyond to accommodate me and the guard.
Sorry about the tough time with your unit. Luckily, mine is super flexible and cool with it. Thanks for the info. All good stuff to know. I should be applying soon.
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Old 11-03-2015, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bacca9
Sorry about the tough time with your unit. Luckily, mine is super flexible and cool with it. Thanks for the info. All good stuff to know. I should be applying soon.
Are you in the army or air?

And are you in an aviation unit?

Im told that makes all the difference. Im an 88m in a brigade support unit. Im probably the only civilian pilot in my entire brigade.
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DegeReguard
I'm actively drilling in the Army Guard and working at Trans States.

If you're activated just send a copy of the orders to our chief pilot and request the days
We are not required to provide a copy of orders per the USERRA act. Only a verbal or written notification with the commanders name and number is required. No need to set a precedent.
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Old 11-03-2015, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by HuskerAv8tor
We are not required to provide a copy of orders per the USERRA act. Only a verbal or written notification with the commanders name and number is required. No need to set a precedent.
Not required but i bet there is a name on there. It's only a precedent if they request it and you oblige.
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Old 11-03-2015, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HuskerAv8tor
We are not required to provide a copy of orders per the USERRA act. Only a verbal or written notification with the commanders name and number is required. No need to set a precedent.
Not required but not a big deal. It is often times much easier to simply do so as it provides clarification as to what dates and such are being requested, all mil leave is done on the same form which formatted for requesting leave for AT and mutas, when you request leave for an activation on that form without sending the orders with it, the multiple people at our company that request goes through before it winds up on your schedule get confused and things get messed up.

Why be intentionally difficult simply because you dont want to set a precendent when its much easier, faster, and clearer for everyone involved to read the orders and schedule the leave?

The orders also contain point of contact information and everything else.

It makes my life easier and their lives easier.

You cant set a precedent in that way because they will not break the rules of USERRA and when they readily and willingly work with you there is no reason not to return the favor by working with them and not using USERRA as an exuse. It would be totally different if they were being unreasonable themselves but they arent. Quite the opposite in fact.

But yes, technically there is no need to provide a copy of your orders. They will approve your leave request reguardless. It just might take a few extra phone calls to make sure they get it figured out properly.
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Old 11-03-2015, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DegeReguard
Not required but not a big deal. It is often times much easier to simply do so as it provides clarification as to what dates and such are being requested, all mil leave is done on the same form which formatted for requesting leave for AT and mutas, when you request leave for an activation on that form without sending the orders with it, the multiple people at our company that request goes through before it winds up on your schedule get confused and things get messed up.

Why be intentionally difficult simply because you dont want to set a precendent when its much easier, faster, and clearer for everyone involved to read the orders and schedule the leave?

The orders also contain point of contact information and everything else.

It makes my life easier and their lives easier.
It is not our responsibility to reduce the confusion of the various officials at TSA. It is their job to know and respect the law which is there to ensure protections for all of us who serve in the military. They are bound by USERRA to accept your verbal and/or written notification. There is nothing to be confused about. If they have a problem with that, they can contact your commanding officer to verify said duty.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HuskerAv8tor
It is not our responsibility to reduce the confusion of the various officials at TSA. It is their job to know and respect the law which is there to ensure protections for all of us who serve in the military. They are bound by USERRA to accept your verbal and/or written notification. There is nothing to be confused about. If they have a problem with that, they can contact your commanding officer to verify said duty.
If it's easier for him to submit the orders, then it's easier. It's not required but it's easier. He's not setting a precedent. There is literally zero harm in giving them your orders.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bacca9
Anyone at TSA that is also a drilling reservist or in the Guard care to share how "friendly" TSA is to them when they drill? If your drill duty touches a trip, do you drop the entire trip? How friendly is management towards guys drilling a lot (3-6 days a month, where it would most likely overlap with a trip every month)? I know some companies, like the one I'm in now, are pushing back harder and harder and are walking the line with USERRA violations.
Thanks.
In my class there were 3 reservists. I also have 2 friends that are still in the reserves and one actually is just now deploying to somewhere for i think a month. I have heard nothing but good things about management/scheduling working with them for military duties.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
If it's easier for him to submit the orders, then it's easier. It's not required but it's easier. He's not setting a precedent. There is literally zero harm in giving them your orders.
It is not easier. There is harm in setting unnecessary precedents with this company. Kind of like allowing ourselves to become accountants because the company can't do their jobs correctly when it comes to payroll. The law is what the law is. Quit being a company kool aid drinker as usual.

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Old 11-03-2015, 04:44 PM
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what base should i expect to get out of training and how long would it take to move on form there?
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