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Old 09-24-2015, 07:02 PM
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That's rich. Listen, we all appreciate you guys not letting Bedford bend the pilot group over the table, but your current contract is the literal basement. Most of you were cheering a few years ago when 175s started showing up on property. So, your solution for our contract was to demand something completely unrealistic instead of getting one of the best contracts in the industry. Yeah, I'll be sure to take notes from a guy who went to republic then tried to become a CQFO here. That'll make the industry better for sure.
I'm glad you spend enough time in this thread to have the page numbers memorized to pull my quotes. There was about a week when I was being selfish and wanted to better my situation by being able to drive work. Then I realized it wasn't worth the empty promises and days off lost at home. I came to Republic because we own our airplanes and I didn't want to be part of the regional reshuffle game. I was naive to the fact that coming here was exacerbating the problem of super cheap labor, but instead had hopes of being part of setting an industry leading contract (it was 6 years in the making when I got hired).

Those planes were acquired based on an unsustainable business model (cheap pilots) with the assumption that the 145's and Q400's would be off property to staff them. It was a negligible gain in airframes, nothing to get excited about. Delta said no that's not going to happen, and now they're putting 717's on some of our routes. At the end of the day, I sleep great at night (on my originally scheduled days off) and feel great about not making the move to TSA.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
PBS and junior manning are unrelated. We can be junior manned now. At least with PBS, you have a chance of getting days off you want. But even PBS won't show up on property with QOL protections.

You're attacking us? For what? For being one of the only regionals to take a contract that positions us to be one of the best compensated FFD carrier and do it without taking concessions? Want to go after someone? ENY/PSA/PDT/MAG and even the wonderful ARW have contracts or TAs with concessionary language. PDT sold pay rates and health insurance for jets. ENY sold an entire industry leading contract for EJets. Mesa is getting reserve balancing and still doesn't have 100% DH pay. Read my previous post. It's not the best contract out there but it's a big step in the right direction in what is somehow STILL a concessionary environment.
Arw not a concessionary TA. Just a blah nothing better TA.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:35 PM
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While I have a great distain for most everyone, even my own regional, its nice to see things moving in the right direction. But I think the big reason the TA was achieved was because of the pilots you desperately need to attract. First year pay is better than most, but in the grand scheme of things its still well below what we ALL deserve.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:38 PM
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Arw not a concessionary TA. Just a blah nothing better TA.
Not concessionary but a concession was given on health care. It had concessionary language
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:41 PM
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While I have a great distain for most everyone, even my own regional, its nice to see things moving in the right direction. But I think the big reason the TA was achieved was because of the pilots you desperately need to attract. First year pay is better than most, but in the grand scheme of things its still well below what we ALL deserve.
I agree 100%. I really know we are underpaid and undervalued. I think the TSA TA, while not a huge leap, was still a step in the right direction. Until we can pull the likes of GJ, Mesa and RAH out of the basement, no one will be able to make significant and meaningfull gains.
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:08 PM
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Until we can pull the likes of GJ, Mesa and RAH out of the basement, no one will be able to make significant and meaningfull gains.
Losing 77 pilots in the last two months (187 since June 2014) with the carrot of 50+ shiny under the wing jets on order and having a pilot group willing to put the pressure on management helps. We (through our union) said no to $40/hour first year pay; why did you accept $35? To try and get some warm bodies in the door to staff those XR's?
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:26 PM
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Cuz the XR'S are so different from any other variant of the 145?. It's an airplane. We all fly airplanes what's the big deal?
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:42 PM
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Cuz the XR'S are so different from any other variant of the 145?. It's an airplane. We all fly airplanes what's the big deal?
The big deal is that an "industry leading" pay increase was voted in to try and staff airplanes that are yet to come on property, while the likes of AWAC and RJET who have TA's and LLLLBFO's out with rates north of the "industry leading" pay are being undercut. It's a "me me me" culture of taking the first offer to facilitate growth and quick upgrades. One day you'll just realize you are the flavor of the week and there's no one to fill seats because you neglected to make this career viable for the people behind you.
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:46 PM
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Just so you know I spent time at RAH myself sir. Majority of the RAH pilots were not for that TA that was proposed because it circumvented the Union.
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by glassnpowder98
Losing 77 pilots in the last two months (187 since June 2014) with the carrot of 50+ shiny under the wing jets on order and having a pilot group willing to put the pressure on management helps. We (through our union) said no to $40/hour first year pay; why did you accept $35? To try and get some warm bodies in the door to staff those XR's?
Tsa pilots as well as the other 50 seat only operators don't have as much leverage as you think. Especially Tsa wich is not wholly owned and survives on cheap contracts. That we have this good of a contract is amazing enough and that alone took years. It's just not realistic to ask for 100 bucks an hour for flying that's on its way out. The contracts are literally on yearly terms. This extension was also about preservation of what we have as much as anything else. Hopefully people show up for class.
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