reevesofskyking

I must be twisted

I cannot say that I enjoyed the training experince, but I feel that I am better off for it. I think I learned some vauable lessons, and I think I can take that to another job with out much problem.

That was the reason that I would walk resumes in.

I was not trying to be a bastard to new kids that wanted to go there, I did give them a complete rundown on how it was going to go. I tried to lead the new guys away from using gouges in training.

In our class, it seemed like people made it through easier with out the gouges.

FOblondie

It's always worth applying because the worst that will happen is you never get called by them. But with 250/50 don't expect to get called anytime soon. Yeah, they were hiring with those times in the very very recent past but they currently aren't. I had a friend with hours slightly higher than yours get her resume walked in about a month ago and she didn't get called. Apparently with lowering their upgrade minimums they've been flooded with resumes with people who have higher time and jet experience. They're probably hanging on to low time resumes for a few months until they get desperate again.

flynavyj

Yep, they'll call when they want to fill a class...till then, you'll be under all the other guys with 400 hrs, and 50 multi...lol, but, it'll come around.

To reeves,

i totally agree, i feel very confident after passing the training program at TSA (ps, were u december? those sound like the stats from that class) had a good 500+ hr buddy fail out of that one, now he's buzzing around at expressjet (after a little more instructing) actually, lots of friends who were waterski new hires, ended up there after the bust.

i dunno, i look back that the experience and think to myself that i wouldn't trade it for anything, but...if i was giving advice to myself as a new hire, i would probably tell myself not to come here, not because life is bad now, but you said it, everyday thinking you might be packing up and going home without job possibilities sitting over the horizon, that's a drag for 3 months.

15789

So far it's been my experience that these low timers want to drive through every cloud they can, even the ones with tight tri/quad color gradients, and creating UGLY shadows on the radar.

I don't have a problem with the low time F/O's in general, I have do have a problem with the low time F/O's who either act like they have something to prove, or with their 250 to 500 hrs of total flight experience know more and are "superior" pilots to the captains who have been on the line for 3000+ hours, and there fore can handle anything!

TO ANY POTENTIAL TSA NEW HIRE CANDIDATE:

TSA is not an easy place to work at.

We have an outstanding pilot group, and fantastic flight attendants. Our Management has very little respect for the employees new or otherwise regardless of how desperate or not we need them.

I can promise you that your experience with our training department will be a positive one as long as you keep in mind that you will be given no quarter, you will do it right by, studying an obscene amount, spending every free hour you have learning the SOP(FSI instructors will not teach you our procedures!), profiles, and flows, or you will not pass and you will have a 121 training failure on your FAA record and PRIA record! The Union has an excellent mentor program to help those with problems in training, and the TSA instructors really are some of the best that are out there(Now that Mr. Rich Lecompt is at Flight Safety, we hopefully will see a change with their program as well) use them as a resource.

If you make it through traing and into IOE, our IOE instructor/Ck Airmen are all professional and helpfull. Ask questions , lots of questions, even if you think it's a stupid, the answer you get may save you from a potentially embarrassing problem later on or save your life if the S#it hits the fan.

Most importantly Don't come to the line thinking that you are the next Charles Lindbergh, Chuck Yegar, or Amelia Earheardt. You'll only **** of your captain, and this is a very small company that is shrinking every day!

To those of you who wish to come here, I wish you the best of luck. If you have questions feel free to P.M. me. and No, I do not walk in resume's

Koolaidman

Is E. Benton Vickery still at TSA?

It is funny how the training dept. at SkyWest tries to intimidate everyone into studying. The only thing I think of when they do that is that they don't know what tough training is. FO's don't even have an oral they can fail, and I heard of a CA oral lasting 45 minutes last week!

So if you can make it through TSA training, it is a nice little reminder that you can probably make it through any airline training in the future.

Pilotpip

The June class didn't fare to bad. I think we had 5 out of 30 wash out. No set pattern other than most of them had never taken some time to learn the systems of a jet before by reading a book and at least two of them were 0 to hero with no instruction experience. At 800 hours and 90 multi I was one of the high timers. That's not a joke and it's not something that I think is a good thing. I had no problem with groundschool or for that matter the sim but it wasn't easy. In fact I failed the sim the first time because the flight safety instructor didn't teach us proper technique for an RNAV approach per the SOP. Once I knew what I did wrong, I had no problem. IOE was fantastic, went really well and I learned a ton. I've only been here a short time but the people I've flown with and the crews I've met sitting reserve have been very, very friendly. The instructors know their stuff, but you're going to have a very short time to learn a ton of stuff.

I had a chance to go there last summer and elected to instruct a while longer. It was the smartest thing I think I could do. You're going to have one hell of a time getting a flying job if you wash out. A former coworker took over four months to find another job after failing out there and he had 135 mins. Flight schools aren't going to be too interested in you either because you've already shown you'll bail at the first chance for a jet.

Do yourself a favor. Instruct for a while. Gain some experience, gain some options. In the big picture it will only help. Regionals will still be hiring like mad a year from now.

And I'll leave you with this final thought: TAKE EVERYTHING IN 15789's POST IS 100% CORRECT!

15789

Capt. E Benton Vickery III is no longer at TSA, he has joined the ranks with O. Rosa, S. McNight, T. Miller, and N. Brown!

flynavyj

agree with everything that 15789 said, awesome post captain.

And nope, vickery got himself paroled.

reevesofskyking

I cannot really remember all the numbers for Dec. I would hate to over estimate this, but I think it was right at 45 %

And of that 45% some did not make two orals, or some could not do two rides, and there were a couple that just washed their hands of it during training and left. I can speculate on how their performance was up to the point that they left, I have no idea if they were having a hard time or not.

Last dec is starting to fade a little bit in my mind.
That is the best I can remember

Reeves

flyinaway411

Fantastic flight attendants?! The majority are attention grabbing drama queens. But yes, we do have some really good ones too. The pilot group is awesome. Aside from a select couple, most guys and gals are great to work with.

As far as training goes, it sucks. It is the worst of any out there. But if your dedicated to study hard for this $20K/year job, then you will do fine. As with everything, the more experience you have, and the more education you have about jets in general coming into class, the better off you will be. Good luck with training if you do come here, the job itself is not as bad as people (including myself) may make it out to be.