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Old 03-13-2011, 08:31 PM
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Just curious to know what operators out there have established a quick reference checklist that replaces some memory items, and the type of aircraft that you're flying as well as the type of operation... If you have one and are willing to share a copy of it, I would be interested in seeing it.

I'm a firm proponent of them and would like to try to encourage my new "home" to adopt one into our emergency procedures...
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All types at United now use the QRC. There are still a limited number of memory items on some of the checklists.

A much better system than memorizing laundry lists that were often forgotten, or had errors of omission, at critical times.
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All types at United now use the QRC. There are still a limited number of memory items on some of the checklists.

A much better system than memorizing laundry lists that were often forgotten, or had errors of omission, at critical times.
Does that statement apply to the former Continental crews too?
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SKW uses some of both. A number of former memory items have been demoted to QRCs.
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We're straight memory here...for you guys that have them, where do you keep the QRC? Might be something for us to look into.
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Boeing has had QRHs at least since the 727. Now that lawyers rule the planet, it is much harder to say, "We don't want to do what Boeing says is best, we'll go our own way." Just counted, our 747-400 QRH has 271 pages of 241 non-normal checklists. One hundred fourteen "are informational, have no procedudual steps, or the action is obvious." One hundred twenty seven are monkey see, monkey do. The back of the normal checklist card has copies of the six that have memory items. The QRH lives in a slot outboard of each pilot seat.

I learned the 727 without the QRH, using updated Braniff books and checklists. At one point, we had no memory items, just a mantra of "Fly the plane, silence the bell, read the checklist." F/E had his own of "Essential power, download, power the bus." That lasted about a year and we ended up with 5 or 6 checklists with memory items.

Now I teach 727 stuff on the side with the Boeing QRH. Some stuff doesn't make any sense. The aborted start items aren't in the QRH, they're buried in another manual. The actions for a hot start and a failure of the start valve to close are not memory items, but per Boeing "must be accomplished by immediate recall."

On a jet there's not too many things you need to get in a hurry over. Hot start without autostart, rapid D, on the Seven Two loss of essential, on the 400 I'd add equipment cooling and remove the engine fire/fail stuff.
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Most operators that I know of keep the QRC either in the side pocket or in a specially designed holder on the glareshield. Wherever you keep it, it should be immediately available and accessible in all possible flight configurations. (IE not on an EFB if it won't work without ship's power)

My previous employer kept the laminated cards in the side pocket and had a placarded emergency evacuation checklist mounted on the chart holder.
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