PA28-181 Position Lights
01-18-2009, 04:26 AM
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Kilgore Trout:
No offense, but I don't know of any!
The STC you linked to mentions a replacement for existing anti-collision light systems. There's no mention of position lights that I can find. For a lot of reasons it's very unlikely that such a substitution would be allowed. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. A position light needs to be, and can be, on 100% of the time at night. It's often not safe to do this with a strobe (fog, proximity of other vehicles on ground, etc.)
No offense, but I don't know of any!
The STC you linked to mentions a replacement for existing anti-collision light systems. There's no mention of position lights that I can find. For a lot of reasons it's very unlikely that such a substitution would be allowed. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. A position light needs to be, and can be, on 100% of the time at night. It's often not safe to do this with a strobe (fog, proximity of other vehicles on ground, etc.)
. That's what threw me off too. I mention above that I think I got over my head on this one. In the past, I'd worked at a 135 outfit with Cherokee 6's with differing light installations, some had strobes, some did not. It was day VFR AK stuff, so honestly we did not sweat it. I'd been told in the past that the strobe installations on the wings would negate the need for a tail navigation light. Did not verify that on my own, should have. Now after more research that does not make sense to me for the reasons you mention. Still not sure though.Sorry if I have made this issue more complicated than it deserves.
I think you're spot on Rotorhead, regarding the difference between the lighting systems.
Hoping the flight school Sellener is renting the plane from has explained it better than I have.
01-19-2009, 06:45 PM
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So the question is, did he figure this out yet? If you are seriously an instrument rated commercial pilot, then I don't know if you or your instructors need a slight head adjustment.
2 ways of figuring this out very easily without embarrasing yourself on the internet.
#1 Turn on BATT, turn on NAV, walk around airplane. Lookie thar!
#2 Surely someone is in charge of this aircraft, why not ask them?
Sorry if I sound crude, but it's just the kind of day I've had. And the appropriate answer is that if it's a recent model archer, then the white lights will be on the aft side of the red/green lights.
2 ways of figuring this out very easily without embarrasing yourself on the internet.
#1 Turn on BATT, turn on NAV, walk around airplane. Lookie thar!
#2 Surely someone is in charge of this aircraft, why not ask them?
Sorry if I sound crude, but it's just the kind of day I've had. And the appropriate answer is that if it's a recent model archer, then the white lights will be on the aft side of the red/green lights.
03-25-2009, 08:05 AM
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Yeah, I figured it out. Dont worry Ewfflyer, I have thick skin. But I do have another question. I recently had a CFI tell me that a wingtip strobe light being burnt out wasnt needed for night flight. I couldnt believe that. The pa28-181 mid 80's aircraft I fly has wingtip strobes protruding from the tips, and a rotating red beacon on the rudder.
My question is what does the anti-collision light system consist of?
Is the red beacon a part of it or not.
Perhaps the red beacon light was confused as a legal anti-collision light system. But I also understand all lights in a anti-collision light system need to be operable.
I had a more articulate post but got timed out and had to start over
thanks
My question is what does the anti-collision light system consist of?
Is the red beacon a part of it or not.
Perhaps the red beacon light was confused as a legal anti-collision light system. But I also understand all lights in a anti-collision light system need to be operable.
I had a more articulate post but got timed out and had to start over
thanks
03-26-2009, 05:43 AM
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Yeah, I figured it out. Dont worry Ewfflyer, I have thick skin. But I do have another question. I recently had a CFI tell me that a wingtip strobe light being burnt out wasnt needed for night flight. I couldnt believe that. The pa28-181 mid 80's aircraft I fly has wingtip strobes protruding from the tips, and a rotating red beacon on the rudder.
My question is what does the anti-collision light system consist of?
Is the red beacon a part of it or not.
Perhaps the red beacon light was confused as a legal anti-collision light system. But I also understand all lights in a anti-collision light system need to be operable.
I had a more articulate post but got timed out and had to start over
thanks
My question is what does the anti-collision light system consist of?
Is the red beacon a part of it or not.
Perhaps the red beacon light was confused as a legal anti-collision light system. But I also understand all lights in a anti-collision light system need to be operable.
I had a more articulate post but got timed out and had to start over
thanks
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