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full of luv 12-04-2018 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Highflyer35 (Post 2718907)
Ok enough of the parking debate. What’s the plan with moving HQ to building C?

No wait, welcome to the majors section Sun Country, now it will be easier for people to find the correct corner of the internet to rant and rave about every little irksome thing.

Wait until it's contract time, then tell the company to fix your parking options!

Noisy1 12-05-2018 05:42 AM

Or... you could make some friends and ask them to move your car! I have been offered, as a commuter, to have my car moved by D&T. Never needed either of them to do it, but they kindly offered unsolicited.

It was pretty nice of management to remind people that MAC is enforcing the MAC policy. What is wrong with the reminder? The policy has been that way for at least 14 years, which was when I started paying out of pocket to use the ramp when commuting out of Minneapolis to Houston.

What is the fix? Keep complaining about something that is totally fine and maybe we will end up parking at building C. That way the company can avoid paying expensive parking, and you can show up for work 30 minutes earlier to take the employee shuttle bus over to the terminal.

sca fact rumor 12-05-2018 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Noisy1 (Post 2719272)
Or... you could make some friends and ask them to move your car! I have been offered, as a commuter, to have my car moved by D&T. Never needed either of them to do it, but they kindly offered unsolicited.

It was pretty nice of management to remind people that MAC is enforcing the MAC policy. What is wrong with the reminder? The policy has been that way for at least 14 years, which was when I started paying out of pocket to use the ramp when commuting out of Minneapolis to Houston.

What is the fix? Keep complaining about something that is totally fine and maybe we will end up parking at building C. That way the company can avoid paying expensive parking, and you can show up for work 30 minutes earlier to take the employee shuttle bus over to the terminal.

Missing the point completely. I guess people have to depend on friends because they can't count on their company to do the right thing, gotcha. I think there is a solution for commuters since this seems to be enough of a problem that the company has to make such a reminder, which I appreciate, but for them not to be part of a solution is troubling. It's in our contract. Every time you turn around lately the company is changing a policy that affects our contract and quality of life. Yes, again, I know it's a MAC issue, but it's a company problem and solution. My next question is how far can they erode your benefits before you care? Where is your line in the sand? Yeah, yeah I know it's not parking for you. If we let them take the little things, eventually they will take the big things and possibly a benefit that you hold dear or find important. Just saying just because you don't have a problem with the deterioration of your benefits, doesn't mean others are okay with it. Glad you're not on my negotiating committee. Again, this isn't totally about parking. I've made my points in previous post and those are just ignored. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Don't forget to pay your ALPA dues because they find this important and a violation, so I'm not some lone pilot complaining who doesn't even commute.

PiperPower 12-05-2018 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by sca fact rumor (Post 2719403)
Missing the point completely. I guess people have to depend on friends because they can't count on their company to do the right thing, gotcha. I think there is a solution for commuters since this seems to be enough of a problem that the company has to make such a reminder, which I appreciate, but for them not to be part of a solution is troubling. It's in our contract. Every time you turn around lately the company is changing a policy that affects our contract and quality of life. Yes, again, I know it's a MAC issue, but it's a company problem and solution. My next question is how far can they erode your benefits before you care? Where is your line in the sand? Yeah, yeah I know it's not parking for you. If we let them take the little things, eventually they will take the big things and possibly a benefit that you hold dear or find important. Just saying just because you don't have a problem with the deterioration of your benefits, doesn't mean others are okay with it. Glad you're not on my negotiating committee. Again, this isn't totally about parking. I've made my points in previous post and those are just ignored. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Don't forget to pay your ALPA dues because they find this important and a violation, so I'm not some lone pilot complaining who doesn't even commute.

I think there are bigger fish to fry in terms of contract issues.
An airport parking lot isn't meant to be a storage garage... Therefore, I don't think there is an issue with having a policy, and enforcing it. It's their rule, big deal. Figure out something to do with your car on day 11.

Again, bigger fish to fry in terms of the contract... Can we move on from parking?

sca fact rumor 12-05-2018 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by PiperPower (Post 2719443)
I think there are bigger fish to fry in terms of contract issues.
An airport parking lot isn't meant to be a storage garage... Therefore, I don't think there is an issue with having a policy, and enforcing it. It's their rule, big deal. Figure out something to do with your car on day 11.

Again, bigger fish to fry in terms of the contract... Can we move on from parking?


Again missing the point. All fish are big at this point. We are coming up on negotiations and you want to fight for what you think is important and others that want to fight for something is small fish? This whole issue came about because the company now schedules people for more than 10 days off, plain and simple. This letter from Todd came out because he knew it would be a problem with the schedules being built for December. So they created the problem and told commuters, sorry fend for yourself, our bad. I don't think pilots are looking to have a storage garage for God's sake. I'm out.

leftseatguy 12-05-2018 01:08 PM

The email from the CP office came as a reminder of the MAC policy. Because somebody went on a 2 week vacation to Thailand and left their car in the ramp, and had to pay for parking after the 10 days.

sobo 12-16-2018 07:26 AM

Any truth to the 2 year upgrade the recruiter told me on the phone?

symbian simian 12-16-2018 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 2726229)
Any truth to the 2 year upgrade the recruiter told me on the phone?

If there is a single fleet, no growth, linear retirements and people get hired at 35, and retire at 65, upgrade would average at 15 years. If there is a faster upgrade it is because of people leaving for better places, higher retirements or growth. AFAIK sun country doesn't have higher than average retirements. The fleet plan according

Sun Country unveils first of a fleet it plans to own - StarTribune.com

means it would be beyond 2026 before the fleet doubles, and you upgrading, so at least 8 years.
So the only reason you would upgrade in 2 years is enough peole leaving to go to a better place, and that could make you question your desire for Sun Country....

Flyonwall 12-16-2018 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 2726229)
Any truth to the 2 year upgrade the recruiter told me on the phone?

No....there isn’t truth to that.

tolipenalpria 12-16-2018 03:56 PM

I hope to upgrade in less than 3 years, but it doesn't look too promising at this point. At least 40 FOs have bypassed, i'm curious as to how many keep bypassing.


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