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#281
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Joined APC: Aug 2022
Posts: 32
Oh, brother. Criticism? For pointing out the fact that a lot of new people on the list don't know the first thing about how ALPA works - and to be fair - in some cases doesn't work very well? I'm nowhere near being part of this MEC and I do my best while I'm on the line to help new hires learn the history of Sunny and what a realistic timeline is to see things get accomplished.
So nothing happened at midterms. Big deal. I'd rather have nothing happen then just have us take or make concessions for the sake of "doing something". I believe the company came in with some ridiculous asks that EM and crew shot down knowing they'd be counterproductive. And now they're hoping we'll vote in a new leader so that by the time openers come around we're still not ready to negotiate because the teams are still being put together or brought up to speed.
I'll also admit that when I heard about how long it's been since EM has flown I was pretty annoyed. But the job of leading this MEC isn't a part-time job. It's not one where you can turn off the office while you work a fatiguing 4-day and then come back into the office the next day ready to be productive. He's a smart guy and I don't think he needs to be out there to understand how crappy things can be.
So nothing happened at midterms. Big deal. I'd rather have nothing happen then just have us take or make concessions for the sake of "doing something". I believe the company came in with some ridiculous asks that EM and crew shot down knowing they'd be counterproductive. And now they're hoping we'll vote in a new leader so that by the time openers come around we're still not ready to negotiate because the teams are still being put together or brought up to speed.
I'll also admit that when I heard about how long it's been since EM has flown I was pretty annoyed. But the job of leading this MEC isn't a part-time job. It's not one where you can turn off the office while you work a fatiguing 4-day and then come back into the office the next day ready to be productive. He's a smart guy and I don't think he needs to be out there to understand how crappy things can be.
At least 50% of new hires were OO when I was there. They had the SkyWest Pilot union which is heavily controlled by the company. They don’t understand anything outside of real unions except TFAYD. A wet dream for Sunny management I’m sure …. or having a chairman who is clueless and wants to give everything to the company for the sake of “getting things done”.
Have a look how that worked out for them.
#282
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 511
I’m no longer at Sunny but to add to this no other MEC chairman at other major airlines fly. United, Delta, American, Spirit, Frontier. It’s a full time job.
At least 50% of new hires were OO when I was there. They had the SkyWest Pilot union which is heavily controlled by the company. They don’t understand anything outside of real unions except TFAYD. A wet dream for Sunny management I’m sure …. or having a chairman who is clueless and wants to give everything to the company for the sake of “getting things done”.
Have a look how that worked out for them.
At least 50% of new hires were OO when I was there. They had the SkyWest Pilot union which is heavily controlled by the company. They don’t understand anything outside of real unions except TFAYD. A wet dream for Sunny management I’m sure …. or having a chairman who is clueless and wants to give everything to the company for the sake of “getting things done”.
Have a look how that worked out for them.
In other news. Upgrades are trending way up. Good news and great to see!
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#283
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Joined APC: May 2018
Position: 737
Posts: 147
I received info on EM's challenger from a very senior and very respected pilot The vote has started 3-1 for a change. That's not OO pilots. Seriously, if it's that lopsided and the current leadership is surprised... Well. Then maybe it is time for a change.
In other news. Upgrades are trending way up. Good news and great to see!
In other news. Upgrades are trending way up. Good news and great to see!
#284
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 272
There are always going to be some people eager to take the upgrade. In some cases it could be naivite, in others it could be for career progression, etc. etc.
Some will inevitably downgrade after years on reserve with no end in sight. I won't deny that it was a very good month for upgrades, but I also won't believe that it's a trend until I see it happen for several consecutive months.
Some will inevitably downgrade after years on reserve with no end in sight. I won't deny that it was a very good month for upgrades, but I also won't believe that it's a trend until I see it happen for several consecutive months.
#285
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 36
Ok, so we CAN work together with the company to negotiate reserve lines that offer good pay, workrules, and qol...We just don't. 'System Reserve' didnt go junior than 15% (26 Years) on the Captian side. You get 75-94 hours of pay (plus whatever youre assigned to fly) the ability to pick up open time, and anywhere from 14-18 days off. Next time somebody tries to tell you that improving reserve rules only benefits junior people. No. It benefits anybody that is senior enough to want it and hold it. If we make it good enough its going to go pretty damn senior.
Something about elections happening now?
Something about elections happening now?
#287
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Joined APC: Feb 2023
Posts: 60
#288
Ok, so we CAN work together with the company to negotiate reserve lines that offer good pay, workrules, and qol...We just don't. 'System Reserve' didnt go junior than 15% (26 Years) on the Captian side. You get 75-94 hours of pay (plus whatever youre assigned to fly) the ability to pick up open time, and anywhere from 14-18 days off. Next time somebody tries to tell you that improving reserve rules only benefits junior people. No. It benefits anybody that is senior enough to want it and hold it. If we make it good enough its going to go pretty damn senior.
Something about elections happening now?
Something about elections happening now?
#289
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 303
#290
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 36
if reserve gets better like you say, the seniors will bid it. That's what seniority affords you in a job that has been seniority based for 70 plus years. Don't blame the union. It's an industry thing. I agree if it does get better it will allow the hard to lines trickle down the seniority list. The companies agenda is to make money. Not to make you happy. It's a battle. I've been in this industry a long time. If you don't have it in you to roll with the cycles, well maybe it's not for you. All the cargo flying should be contained in long lines like it was. It worked great when it was a couple years ago.
My point is that we’ve been hearing for years about how the company wants (and has offered) to improve reserve rules, QOL and pay, but the union is turning down the offer ‘because it only benefits junior pilots’. I have heard this explicitly several times. My comment was to point out that this is an absolute lie. Improving reserve would benefit senior pilots first, because they get to hold it first.
If regular reserve looked like system reserve I wouldn’t be able to hold it. It would benefit every single pilot on property.
Our current MEC is using our current reserve pilots misery as leverage. It affects all of us and it’s deplorable.
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