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Old 10-02-2024, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by KingChicken
To be qualified (and willing) to hold left seat and fly a 737 around the country (and internationally) with upwards of 200 people onboard is a level of responsibility that deserves serious ‘I don’t have any financial stress’ kind of income.
If you're a junior captain at Sun Country, you're making good money. If you have financial stress while making upwards of $200k, that's a you problem.
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Old 10-02-2024, 02:50 PM
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If you're a junior captain at Sun Country, you're making good money. If you have financial stress while making upwards of $200k, that's a you problem.
Sunny Country didn't grow linear like a legacy. Your company hired the VAST majority of its pilots in the last three years. You're simply no longer the majority. All the votes, all the power is at the bottom. When we find our voice you'll hear us.

PS. A jr captain at Sunny, year three, takes home about 11,000/month. A senior captain takes home, what, 40,000? Too many work and pay rules favor the line holder. And the pay scale is as far from step as possible. At AK only 28 bucks an hour seperates a junior ca from the most senior. At Sunny? It's 70 bucks! This all ends.

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Old 10-02-2024, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
Sunny Country didn't grow linear like a legacy. Your company hired the VAST majority of its pilots in the last three years. You're simply no longer the majority. All the votes, all the power is at the bottom. When we find our voice you'll hear us.

PS. A jr captain at Sunny, year three, takes home about 11,000/month. A senior captain takes home, what, 40,000? Too many work and pay rules favor the line holder. And the pay scale is as far from step as possible. At AK only 28 bucks an hour seperates a junior ca from the most senior. At Sunny? It's 70 bucks! This all ends.

And perhaps you guys could button your top button.
If you stuff all the wages and work rules in years 3-7 what are you gonna say when you are 12+ years on the seniority list with 20+ years until retirement? This is a marathon not a sprint. It's a career job not built to be a 2-3 year stop.
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Old 10-02-2024, 03:07 PM
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The company sets those rates. If the company improved reserve then the company would have the captains they need on reserve and wouldn't have to offer the hiked up premium. If the company paid reserve on a daily basis instead of a monthly retainer they would have the captains necessary. If the company scheduled more days off on reserve they would have the captains, remember 12,13 off a month is the minimum. They could give reserve pilots many more days off if they thought it would help their Captain problem. The company loves when the pilots finger point at each other. It's cheaper for the company to pay a little more premium here and there than rather fixing the issue with the balance of captains Vs. FO's. At some point they won't be able to grow.
Cool story. All those things make good sense. Many must be negotiated. How'd midterms go?
I'll take 15 off as a reserve and the ability to stack a 250% trip over min gar.
If the MEC wants unity they'll need to, first, take care of the 3xxxx.
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
Sunny Country didn't grow linear like a legacy. Your company hired the VAST majority of its pilots in the last three years. You're simply no longer the majority. All the votes, all the power is at the bottom. When we find our voice you'll hear us.

PS. A jr captain at Sunny, year three, takes home about 11,000/month. A senior captain takes home, what, 40,000? Too many work and pay rules favor the line holder. And the pay scale is as far from step as possible. At AK only 28 bucks an hour seperates a junior ca from the most senior. At Sunny? It's 70 bucks! This all ends.

And perhaps you guys could button your top button.
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Cool story. All those things make good sense. Many must be negotiated. How'd midterms go?
I'll take 15 off as a reserve and the ability to stack a 250% trip over min gar.
If the MEC wants unity they'll need to, first, take care of the 3xxxx.
The union fight hard to get a pay scale with a 30 dollar slope from 2-12 year captain, the company didn't want it. So go tell that to the c team. It wasn't the union.
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Originally Posted by beech1980
If you stuff all the wages and work rules in years 3-7 what are you gonna say when you are 12+ years on the seniority list with 20+ years until retirement? This is a marathon not a sprint. It's a career job not built to be a 2-3 year stop.
You're ignoring the step pay scale. It's industry standard.
You're ignoring reserves picking up open time. It's industry standard.

The bottom captain and top captain should be split by less then 30 bucks. Do you agree? So in the next negotiation phase, guess who should be getting the raise.
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Old 10-02-2024, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
Sunny Country didn't grow linear like a legacy. Your company hired the VAST majority of its pilots in the last three years. You're simply no longer the majority. All the votes, all the power is at the bottom. When we find our voice you'll hear us.

PS. A jr captain at Sunny, year three, takes home about 11,000/month. A senior captain takes home, what, 40,000? Too many work and pay rules favor the line holder. And the pay scale is as far from step as possible. At AK only 28 bucks an hour seperates a junior ca from the most senior. At Sunny? It's 70 bucks! This all ends.

And perhaps you guys could button your top button.
I've talked to junior captains with relief lines making 40 a month. It all depends if you are willing to sacrifice the days off. Again the 70 dollar slope was a company thing. Live open time first come first serve gives you as much power as number one.
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Old 10-02-2024, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
You're ignoring the step pay scale. It's industry standard.
You're ignoring reserves picking up open time. It's industry standard.

The bottom captain and top captain should be split by less then 30 bucks. Do you agree? So in the next negotiation phase, guess who should be getting the raise.
I could care less if reserves add open time. Once again, it's the company. They want to save all the block hours for their productivity and they do not want to pay reserves more than 70 hours and for sure don't want to pay premium to reserves.
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Old 10-02-2024, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beech1980
I've talked to junior captains with relief lines making 40 a month. It all depends if you are willing to sacrifice the days off. Again the 70 dollar slope was a company thing.
Fair enough sir. I hear you. I'm not very knowledgeable on any of this.
But I know the next contract will have a slope benefiting the bottom. It's the only way it passes.

PS. And edit. The top button comment wasn't aimed directly at you. Sorry if it may have seemed that way.
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Old 10-02-2024, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
You're ignoring the step pay scale. It's industry standard.
You're ignoring reserves picking up open time. It's industry standard.
Oh, it's the old "Industry Standard" trope again.

What is the industry standard? Where is it written? Who decided what the industry standard is? Did we get to vote on it at any point?
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