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Old 09-28-2024, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by beech1980
if you leave skywest to come to sun country I would think you would want to stay and not then make another leap to a legacy. Year 2 pay with a line and open time with 15%DC will more than make up for the minor pay loss you will take coming to Sunny. Enjoy the money and 15%DC first year and being home. It's not a place to sit reserve at home if you live more than a 2 hour drive from MSP as we only have short call as of now. If you do live close it's great.
Last time I checked, we have long call too. 14hr long call to be specific, which means the pretty much anyone with less than a 2 leg commute can realistically be sitting on reserve from their couch. Especially when combined with our ability to deadhead deviate.
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Old 09-29-2024, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by zyzz
Reserve pickups are a concession to the majority of the pilots. The only way to make reserve better is to make it desirable to everyone with more pay and more days off. That’s nothing unique to SY.

You left for delta because they have excellent reserve rules not because you can pick up on reserve.
Not every pilot wants to work himself to death every month. Reserve pickups would be a win for me as a lineholder in the months where I want to work less.
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Old 09-30-2024, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nibake
Not every pilot wants to work himself to death every month. Reserve pickups would be a win for me as a lineholder in the months where I want to work less.
I get it now! Industry standard pay, standard LTD and 401k direct payments aren't as important for the whole group as reserve pickups. If we have a new administration I'll be sure to tell them I agree we should ignore the needs of the whole group for the needs of the few. /s
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Old 10-01-2024, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sidelinesam
I get it now! Industry standard pay, standard LTD and 401k direct payments aren't as important for the whole group as reserve pickups. If we have a new administration I'll be sure to tell them I agree we should ignore the needs of the whole group for the needs of the few. /s
Pay will figure itself out. You're correct on LTD (but that might force concessions on our industry leading medical). And your not satisfied with our 15% direct contribution 401k?

The point is, as a senior Sunny pilot, are you ready to allow reserve rule improvements to benefit the young majority? Specifically giving up your complete control of 150, 200 or esp 250% open time? Don't change the subject.
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Old 10-01-2024, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
Pay will figure itself out. You're correct on LTD (but that might force concessions on our industry leading medical). And your not satisfied with our 15% direct contribution 401k?

The point is, as a senior Sunny pilot, are you ready to allow reserve rule improvements to benefit the young majority? Specifically giving up your complete control of 150, 200 or esp 250% open time? Don't change the subject.
The company sets those rates. If the company improved reserve then the company would have the captains they need on reserve and wouldn't have to offer the hiked up premium. If the company paid reserve on a daily basis instead of a monthly retainer they would have the captains necessary. If the company scheduled more days off on reserve they would have the captains, remember 12,13 off a month is the minimum. They could give reserve pilots many more days off if they thought it would help their Captain problem. The company loves when the pilots finger point at each other. It's cheaper for the company to pay a little more premium here and there than rather fixing the issue with the balance of captains Vs. FO's. At some point they won't be able to grow.
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Old 10-01-2024, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by YerOnGuard
Last time I checked, we have long call too. 14hr long call to be specific, which means the pretty much anyone with less than a 2 leg commute can realistically be sitting on reserve from their couch. Especially when combined with our ability to deadhead deviate.
Can anyone with less than 1 year of seniority hold long call?
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Old 10-02-2024, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by beech1980
Can anyone with less than 1 year of seniority hold long call?
heard the Federales were sniffing around N831SY in KSFO the other week…shelled a motor on N821SY too. There are much bigger things to be concerned about than reserve rules (which are terrible btw) and new bases.
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Old 10-02-2024, 08:44 AM
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heard the Federales were sniffing around N831SY in KSFO the other week…shelled a motor on N821SY too. There are much bigger things to be concerned about than reserve rules (which are terrible btw) and new bases.
I’d really love to know what either of these things has to do with our work-rules / contract issues. Somebody got a ramp check? That seems pretty run of the mill. Shelled an engine? Not going to pretend to know what that means, but it sounds like a maintenance issue. Also pretty common in our industry to have maintenance issues.

It’s a problem when the top 15% of pilots are buying 3rd vacation homes, airplanes, and ****ing helicopters for funsies while junior captains and first officers struggle to make enough to afford basic starter homes and have children. Gatekeeping income here is pathetic. Nobody that works at Sun Country needs to ‘pay their dues’ anymore. They’ve done been paid. Especially people willing to be junior captains. To be qualified (and willing) to hold left seat and fly a 737 around the country (and internationally) with upwards of 200 people onboard is a level of responsibility that deserves serious ‘I don’t have any financial stress’ kind of income. We are ALL worthy of that level of income. If we can’t negotiate for it in hourly pay it should be negotiated in work rules, and those work rules should benefit everybody.

To answer the other question, people at ~1 year seniority have relief lines.
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Old 10-02-2024, 09:19 AM
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I’d really love to know what either of these things has to do with our work-rules / contract issues. Somebody got a ramp check? That seems pretty run of the mill. Shelled an engine? Not going to pretend to know what that means, but it sounds like a maintenance issue. Also pretty common in our industry to have maintenance issues.

It’s a problem when the top 15% of pilots are buying 3rd vacation homes, airplanes, and ****ing helicopters for funsies while junior captains and first officers struggle to make enough to afford basic starter homes and have children. Gatekeeping income here is pathetic. Nobody that works at Sun Country needs to ‘pay their dues’ anymore. They’ve done been paid. Especially people willing to be junior captains. To be qualified (and willing) to hold left seat and fly a 737 around the country (and internationally) with upwards of 200 people onboard is a level of responsibility that deserves serious ‘I don’t have any financial stress’ kind of income. We are ALL worthy of that level of income. If we can’t negotiate for it in hourly pay it should be negotiated in work rules, and those work rules should benefit everybody.

To answer the other question, people at ~1 year seniority have relief lines.
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Old 10-02-2024, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by N152SY
heard the Federales were sniffing around N831SY in KSFO the other week…shelled a motor on N821SY too. There are much bigger things to be concerned about than reserve rules (which are terrible btw) and new bases.
I guess you might hate your life when the current MEC chair does not get re-elected
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