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09-24-2024, 03:07 AM
#191
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The company wants to open a Florida pilot base. Such benefits the junior majorty.
That was my point, I guess. There is a HUGE junior majority here that is finding its voice. Forget the statistic that 50% of pilots have been here less then three years.... 70% of pilots only know Jude as the CEO. And Apollo Global Management as the majority owner. Nothing linear about our pilot growth. Think it's crazy to say the jr majority has trust in company leadership? Well..... They've done well. Like you said- profitable.
09-24-2024, 04:49 AM
#192
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So would it shock you to learn that there are at least two ACMI carriers currently contracted by Amazon who already have pay rates applicable to the A330 in their CBAs, one of which has already done some preliminary work in preparation for adding the A330 to their certificate? Still think Sun Country has some particular advantage over the ACMI carriers in that area?
As an aside, it would be awesome if those who are ignorant of what goes on in the ACMI segment of the industry would stop assuming that all ACMI carriers are the slums of the aviation world, inhabited by cretins who are incapable of understanding the business they're in well enough to negotiate a contract with an eye toward future opportunities.
As an aside, it would be awesome if those who are ignorant of what goes on in the ACMI segment of the industry would stop assuming that all ACMI carriers are the slums of the aviation world, inhabited by cretins who are incapable of understanding the business they're in well enough to negotiate a contract with an eye toward future opportunities.
I find it interesting that "Amazon" wasn't mentioned once here:
https://news.alaskaair.com/company/alaska-airlines-expands-cargo-division-and-establishes-new-leadership-and-enterprise-oversight-post-merger-with-hawaiian-airlines
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Who knows. What led me to comment/speculate was management's renewed interest in Atlantic mil charters- which might offer a compelling angle for growth via wide body. Amazon vis' a vis' charters. At least it's great fodder for APC discussion on oft quiet Sunny board.
09-24-2024, 04:59 AM
#193
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Fold? Mid-terms died without negotiating. That's the view from the trenches.
The company wants to open a Florida pilot base. Such benefits the junior majorty.
That was my point, I guess. There is a HUGE junior majority here that is finding its voice. Forget the statistic that 50% of pilots have been here less than three years.... 70% of pilots only know Jude as the CEO. And Apollo Global Management as the majority owner. Nothing linear about our pilot growth. Think it's crazy to say the jr majority has trust in company leadership? Well..... They've done well. Like you said- profitable.
The company wants to open a Florida pilot base. Such benefits the junior majorty.
That was my point, I guess. There is a HUGE junior majority here that is finding its voice. Forget the statistic that 50% of pilots have been here less than three years.... 70% of pilots only know Jude as the CEO. And Apollo Global Management as the majority owner. Nothing linear about our pilot growth. Think it's crazy to say the jr majority has trust in company leadership? Well..... They've done well. Like you said- profitable.
If the company can’t provide industry standard why should the pilots agree to new bases? It seems like if they want new pilot bases bad enough the company would’ve offered industry standard. I’m an outsider looking in here.
Last edited by zyzz; 09-24-2024 at 05:24 AM.
09-24-2024, 11:08 AM
#194
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Position: A330, Right
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I find it interesting that "Amazon" wasn't mentioned once here:
https://news.alaskaair.com/company/alaska-airlines-expands-cargo-division-and-establishes-new-leadership-and-enterprise-oversight-post-merger-with-hawaiian-airlines
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https://news.alaskaair.com/company/alaska-airlines-expands-cargo-division-and-establishes-new-leadership-and-enterprise-oversight-post-merger-with-hawaiian-airlines
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09-25-2024, 02:09 PM
#195
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Defintly no advantage. Perhaps second to ABX? I'd heard ABX started some A330 onboarding.... I forget what exactly.
I find it interesting that "Amazon" wasn't mentioned once here:
https://news.alaskaair.com/company/alaska-airlines-expands-cargo-division-and-establishes-new-leadership-and-enterprise-oversight-post-merger-with-hawaiian-airlines
/
Who knows. What led me to comment/speculate was management's renewed interest in Atlantic mil charters- which might offer a compelling angle for growth via wide body. Amazon vis' a vis' charters. At least it's great fodder for APC discussion on oft quiet Sunny board.
I find it interesting that "Amazon" wasn't mentioned once here:
https://news.alaskaair.com/company/alaska-airlines-expands-cargo-division-and-establishes-new-leadership-and-enterprise-oversight-post-merger-with-hawaiian-airlines
/
Who knows. What led me to comment/speculate was management's renewed interest in Atlantic mil charters- which might offer a compelling angle for growth via wide body. Amazon vis' a vis' charters. At least it's great fodder for APC discussion on oft quiet Sunny board.
09-26-2024, 04:56 AM
#196
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Posts: 24
Fold? Mid-terms died without negotiating. That's the view from the trenches.
The company wants to open a Florida pilot base. Such benefits the junior majorty.
That was my point, I guess. There is a HUGE junior majority here that is finding its voice. Forget the statistic that 50% of pilots have been here less then three years.... 70% of pilots only know Jude as the CEO. And Apollo Global Management as the majority owner. Nothing linear about our pilot growth. Think it's crazy to say the jr majority has trust in company leadership? Well..... They've done well. Like you said- profitable.
The company wants to open a Florida pilot base. Such benefits the junior majorty.
That was my point, I guess. There is a HUGE junior majority here that is finding its voice. Forget the statistic that 50% of pilots have been here less then three years.... 70% of pilots only know Jude as the CEO. And Apollo Global Management as the majority owner. Nothing linear about our pilot growth. Think it's crazy to say the jr majority has trust in company leadership? Well..... They've done well. Like you said- profitable.
Do that five more times in different places and the junior get displaced to these microbases where they have no bidding power because the block to bid on is so small.
Maybe you have big bases in mind similar to Skywest, but that has not been what management described in townhalls.
09-26-2024, 06:41 AM
#197
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How does a base of 20 pilots in Florida help the junior? How that plays out is the senior who live there take those positions and the Minneapolis block time goes with them. So the junior move up 20 bidding positions in Minneapolis, but the amount of block available in the bid package shrinks. All I see is the junior bidding power gets worse as the flying shrinks.
Do that five more times in different places and the junior get displaced to these microbases where they have no bidding power because the block to bid on is so small.
Maybe you have big bases in mind similar to Skywest, but that has not been what management described in townhalls.
Do that five more times in different places and the junior get displaced to these microbases where they have no bidding power because the block to bid on is so small.
Maybe you have big bases in mind similar to Skywest, but that has not been what management described in townhalls.
09-26-2024, 08:24 AM
#198
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How does a base of 20 pilots in Florida help the junior? How that plays out is the senior who live there take those positions and the Minneapolis block time goes with them. So the junior move up 20 bidding positions in Minneapolis, but the amount of block available in the bid package shrinks. All I see is the junior bidding power gets worse as the flying shrinks.
Do that five more times in different places and the junior get displaced to these microbases where they have no bidding power because the block to bid on is so small.
Maybe you have big bases in mind similar to Skywest, but that has not been what management described in townhalls.
Do that five more times in different places and the junior get displaced to these microbases where they have no bidding power because the block to bid on is so small.
Maybe you have big bases in mind similar to Skywest, but that has not been what management described in townhalls.
09-26-2024, 08:31 PM
#199
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09-27-2024, 04:59 AM
#200
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How does a base of 20 pilots in Florida help the junior? How that plays out is the senior who live there take those positions and the Minneapolis block time goes with them. So the junior move up 20 bidding positions in Minneapolis, but the amount of block available in the bid package shrinks. All I see is the junior bidding power gets worse as the flying shrinks.
Do that five more times in different places and the junior get displaced to these microbases where they have no bidding power because the block to bid on is so small.
Maybe you have big bases in mind similar to Skywest, but that has not been what management described in townhalls.
Do that five more times in different places and the junior get displaced to these microbases where they have no bidding power because the block to bid on is so small.
Maybe you have big bases in mind similar to Skywest, but that has not been what management described in townhalls.
Hot take? Sticking to the title of this thread? Twenty Amazon birds (plus the -900) will demand pilot bases outside Minnie. I see FL (Greg's favorite), CVG, and Metroplex bases by this time next year.
Another? 6-1 FOs to CAs on reserve is not sustainable. They'll either stop hiring or improve reserve pay to get upgrades and fix the ratio. Hopefully improve. Who knows.
Speaking of that. 2/3 of the company wants to pickup open time on reserve. 1/3 covets it. That's a pot of gold majority is ready to fight seniority over. Its time 3xxxx employee numbers are heard. We outnumber 2:1. Inaction to protect the few at the top earning 4 or 500 flying turns isn't sustainable either. Que the senior types telling us junior types how they've earned it.... Rant over. Out.
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