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I don’t see why you wouldn’t get a call. My times were almost the same as yours when I got hired: 1200TT, 250 jet SIC, and two types. Only difference is I already had my ATP. Unless things have changed since I interviewed late last year, you really don’t need an internal to make the phone ring. Might be good to attend a job fair though. But we’ve been hiring CFI’s with no jet time so you should be fine. Keep updating your apps and make sure every single box on the app is filled. They emphasized that when I went through indoc

GHawk

I think it's safe to say that things have definitely changed since late last year. It seems the new contract (or LOA?) shifted the competitive minimums as I suspect there are a lot more apps to choose from.

YerOnGuard

The CFI’s we’ve been hiring are all bridge students, so it’s not exactly like we are hiring straight from Joe’s Part 61 Flight School. That being said, any applicant with an ATP should be competitive, but there are many qualified applicants to choose from at this moment.

My advice to all applicants, network and get a current SY pilot to give you an internal. Give it a couple weeks, if you haven’t heard anything, then ask them to email pilot hiring, that gets your app scored right away.

Dick

Hey guys… To upgrade is it:
1) 500 hours in type?
or
2) 1 year in company?
This besides the 1000 hours turbine time of course.


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YerOnGuard

The new contract and company manual only reference 2500TT, 500hrs First Officer flight time with the Company, 250hrs as a Sun Country pilot in type.

jwils016

Does emailing a recruiter from the event help at all? I got couple recruiters email from PAPA in Las Vegas back in July. Won’t have a Full ATP, only have the written completed sadly.
Thanks for the advices all !

jwils016

Does emailing a recruiter from the event help at all? I got couple recruiters email from PAPA in Las Vegas back in July. Won’t have a Full ATP, only have the written completed sadly.
Thanks for the advices all !

nibake

1) No.
2) No, there is no time at company requirement.
3) No, there is no turbine time requirement.

I posted on this about a month back. It doesn't matter what the company requirements are because ALL of the contractual requirements can be waived at the company's discretion. The only real requirement is the legal FAA minima, should the company choose to waive the others. Having said that,

The requirements, should the company choose to enforce them (I highly doubt they will at this point) are:
ATP written,
2500 TT,
500 hours at SY

YerOnGuard

Having just gone through upgrade, I can assure you that all those are mins still alive and well. For how long is anyones guess. I’m going to assume that the 500 at SY and 250 in type at SY are going to stick around for awhile. That’s not a lot of experience, especially considering our wide variety of flying.

nibake

Don't be so certain. Last year they were waving minimums and there was zero communication about it to the pilot group. You had no way of knowing unless you happened to directly communicate with someone in the training department. It was wrong to do so without notifying the pilot group, but it happened. So don't assume that it isn't happening now just because you went in for upgrade recently, unless they explicitly told you or someone you know that they needed to wait.

At any rate, there is not much keeping the company from upgrading anyone with FAA legal minimums. The FOM and the contract don't stop them from doing so. The only thing I can imagine would be that we currently don't have an approved training pathway (to my knowledge) for a direct hire upgrade, so a new hire would have to complete the standard new hire footprint and then the upgrade footprint sequentially. I'm not saying it's going to happen that way but if we think it can't, we are fooling ourselves. I would hope there is enough good old fashioned wisdom to prevent such a thing from happening... Arbitrary or not, these numbers are safe-guards which contribute to the safety of the operation. IMO time in type and then time at company are the most important, respectively. TT isn't probably going to be the determining factor ability to act as a PIC here.