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10-04-2022, 11:39 PM
#761
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,014
That was my takeaway as well. I know it’s something of the union’s job to criticize management but this was a notably different tone than the MEC had even a couple weeks ago. I think they’re as dumbfounded by the complete disregard for vacation leveling as the rest of us and assume that’s a sign of things to come. It seems management believes direct entry captains will solve all their problems but I don’t think there are tons of folks with 1000 121 time (much less significant time in a 737), dying to fly for SY when the legacies are hiring at those numbers.
10-05-2022, 06:01 AM
#763
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: B-737
Posts: 727
I believe when the 3.5 rig gets implemented in January all the non turn lines will be pushing 95 hours of rig flying to accommodate all the block hours they want to fly. Yes you will make more credit but I don’t believe it will drive better schedules unless more FO’s upgrade to captain. I get they don’t want worse schedules but with the lack of vacation in the summer and winter months or if you can’t hold day trips all the lines are a crap shoot. It then just becomes about the random days off you can hold. After the day trip lines they all suck.
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10-05-2022, 07:55 AM
#764
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 24
30 years is a guess ultimately
I’ll say this- I still think it’s insane SCX thinks they can have a 1000 -1500 pilot airline JUST out of MSP as a published base. No amount of deadhead deviations will bring nor keep pilots at this airline with that reality- positive space travel is probably the only solution I see short of opening more crew bases.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
10-05-2022, 10:02 AM
#765
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Position: 737
Posts: 151
I’ll say this- I still think it’s insane SCX thinks they can have a 1000 -1500 pilot airline JUST out of MSP as a published base. No amount of deadhead deviations will bring nor keep pilots at this airline with that reality- positive space travel is probably the only solution I see short of opening more crew bases.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
10-05-2022, 10:20 AM
#766
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 136
I believe when the 3.5 rig gets implemented in January all the non turn lines will be pushing 95 hours of rig flying to accommodate all the block hours they want to fly. Yes you will make more credit but I don’t believe it will drive better schedules unless more FO’s upgrade to captain. I get they don’t want worse schedules but with the lack of vacation in the summer and winter months or if you can’t hold day trips all the lines are a crap shoot. It then just becomes about the random days off you can hold. After the day trip lines they all suck.
10-05-2022, 10:25 AM
#767
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 136
I’ll say this- I still think it’s insane SCX thinks they can have a 1000 -1500 pilot airline JUST out of MSP as a published base. No amount of deadhead deviations will bring nor keep pilots at this airline with that reality- positive space travel is probably the only solution I see short of opening more crew bases.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
10-05-2022, 11:30 AM
#768
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2022
Position: Guppy
Posts: 125
I’ll say this- I still think it’s insane SCX thinks they can have a 1000 -1500 pilot airline JUST out of MSP as a published base. No amount of deadhead deviations will bring nor keep pilots at this airline with that reality- positive space travel is probably the only solution I see short of opening more crew bases.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
With that being said- I got 30 years of a career hopefully. Here is the long game I see-
1. The legacy airline bizz is in denial- business travel is not returning, and with a recession a near certainty, lots of headwinds are coming again. I ask- which companies are going to get hurt from that the most? Probably not Sunny.
2. LLCs are the future- look at Europe and SE Asia. Legacies are struggling to hold on to market share, growth is out for the foreseeable future. Whose going to fill the void when these hub and spoke airlines start to loose their ground with sky rocketing costs and lack of regional pilots?
3. What are your priorities? Lots of money? Lots of time off? Staying healthy alive past 65? The airline that delivers today on your priorities is guaranteed to change in 30 years.
4. Can you take a risk? Are you willing to wait? I think SCX is Risky is some regards but extremely safe in others. I feel confident about job security less confident in what exactly sunny will look like in 5 years- but undoubtedly it will be better for pilots because it has to if they intend to grow- see the training facility investments.
5. Overall I actually like working here. For now. Been here a year- I think the upside to this company is too hard to pass up, legacies/cargo will always pay more, and that will always guarantee sunny will have something to compete with yet be more profitable than those companies. Just my thoughts.
Several friends have stated the number 1 reason they won’t consider Sunny is due to MSP being the only domicile. There is still a large contingent of people on both sides of the table that still view this as an airline running day trips to LAS and MCO 3 times a week. Unfortunately the airline will have to adapt to the new business model if they want to ultimately grow. As for the scheduling QOL…the crew scheduling department is all of 8 or so people,which maybe 4 of them can do anything more than answer the phone. They are doing FA trip trades by hand which means they are spending less and less time abiding by the agreement that was bargained collectively. Have those ASAPs handy too because they really do not accurately track 117 times either.
10-05-2022, 03:29 PM
#769
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 136
Several friends have stated the number 1 reason they won’t consider Sunny is due to MSP being the only domicile. There is still a large contingent of people on both sides of the table that still view this as an airline running day trips to LAS and MCO 3 times a week. Unfortunately the airline will have to adapt to the new business model if they want to ultimately grow. As for the scheduling QOL…the crew scheduling department is all of 8 or so people,which maybe 4 of them can do anything more than answer the phone. They are doing FA trip trades by hand which means they are spending less and less time abiding by the agreement that was bargained collectively. Have those ASAPs handy too because they really do not accurately track 117 times either.
10-06-2022, 10:45 PM
#770
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 55
If only someone can explain why guys with less hours that live across the country get the call, but several qualified friends with Minnesota addresses on file can't get calls.. they should lean into that a little more.
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