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Old 10-31-2021, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by S4User
Implementation by end of 2022? Pardon my ignorance, but why would that take so long if the agreement is completed?

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Sorry, I was probably unclear. The contract would be implemented shortly after signing. PBS will be implemented by the end of 2022.
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Old 10-31-2021, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by S4User
Implementation by end of 2022? Pardon my ignorance, but why would that take so long if the agreement is completed?

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I saw that too, better be a typo
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Old 10-31-2021, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by YerOnGuard
Sorry, I was probably unclear. The contract would be implemented shortly after signing. PBS will be implemented by the end of 2022.
Ok, that's good. Sorry, what do you mean by PBS?

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Old 10-31-2021, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by S4User
Ok, that's good. Sorry, what do you mean by PBS?

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Its a different system of bidding. Basically, with that system, you set parameters for what type of trips you want. The system then gives you trips based on your seniority and the parameters you selected.

Currently, we bid hard lines, which means someone else creates all the lines. You have to manually filter through all the lines available for the month and determine which order you want to bid. The current system is a very long and time consuming way to bid.

PBS is a more efficient solution for bidding and gives pilots more flexibility in their bids. However, it’s only as good as the trips the company creates.
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Old 11-03-2021, 05:35 AM
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What’s the status of the 2 year training contract? Does that still exist? Would they implement a new one with the new contract? TIA
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Old 11-03-2021, 06:02 AM
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What’s the status of the 2 year training contract? Does that still exist? Would they implement a new one with the new contract? TIA
Training contract has been eliminated for over 2 years now. It used to be pretty standard in the industry, but in today’s hiring climate, they wouldn’t even consider doing one. They used to make you pay for your own hotels while in training too, but the company pays for them now.
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Old 11-03-2021, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by YerOnGuard
Training contract has been eliminated for over 2 years now. It used to be pretty standard in the industry, but in today’s hiring climate, they wouldn’t even consider doing one. They used to make you pay for your own hotels while in training too, but the company pays for them now.
Training contracts were industry standard until two years ago? Who else had one, frontier? I'm generally curious
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Training contracts were industry standard until two years ago? Who else had one, frontier? I'm generally curious
I never said they were industry standard two years ago. What I said was “training contract has been eliminated for over 2 years now. It used to be pretty standard in the industry.” Both of those statements are true.

Also, industry standard (being the aviation industry as a whole, not necessarily only 121 carriers), training contracts were, and in some cases, still are used. Think part 135, corporate, etc. I’m sure many people have signed them who can speak to their common use in the past.

I have signed 3 training contracts in my career, the last of which was signed when I was at a regional in 2018. So, while not widely used anymore, they were definitely part of our industry not long ago.
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Old 11-03-2021, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by YerOnGuard
I never said they were industry standard two years ago. What I said was “training contract has been eliminated for over 2 years now. It used to be pretty standard in the industry.” Both of those statements are true.

Also, industry standard (being the aviation industry as a whole, not necessarily only 121 carriers), training contracts were, and in some cases, still are used. Think part 135, corporate, etc. I’m sure many people have signed them who can speak to their common use in the past.

I have signed 3 training contracts in my career, the last of which was signed when I was at a regional in 2018. So, while not widely used anymore, they were definitely part of our industry not long ago.
I guess I didnt know they were pretty standard. I shouldn't have said industry standard. I have heard of them in 135 or 91 worlds but not in 121. I didnt do the regional route so I have no idea about them. I still have the same question if anyone knows, what airlines had training contracts? Let's say in the last 10 yrs so we dont get too crazy looking this stuff up
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https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/11/02/airlines-wont-be-able-to-add-capacity-required-for-demand-sun-country-ceo.html

https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2021/11/03/sun-country-airlines-holdings-inc-sncy-q3-2021-ear

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sun-country-airlines-reports-third-200100713.html
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