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Old 04-03-2017, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AirbusRetard
So come summer melt down time the gravy chookers should have used all 5 of their jrms right?

Is there a way to grieve people going over the contract limit? When it happens can we make sure ALPA puts them in bad standing for violating be contract?
Technically yes, realistically, no. Sure is a lot of work to spank someone for busting the JA limit.

If you're interested in pursuing this, I'd start with the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws Article 8 sec 1A. I would think (9) and to a lesser extent (3) would be applicable, as well as (10) which is a catch-all.

(3) Willful disobedience or failure to comply with an established policy or any other decision of the Board of Directors, the Executive Board, the Executive Council, or the member’s Master Executive
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(9) Acting in any manner to circumvent, defeat or interfere with collective bargaining between the Association and an employer or with existing collective bargaining agreements

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Old 04-03-2017, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw
Getting a call for a JRM OR MUP, then working out some special deal..you bet! Time to knock it off! Fly the CBA!
The above IS flying the CBA. Now non-revving yourself around to problem spots in the system, then calling scheduling tell them you have put yourself on airport standby... That would NOT be flying the CBA. If you don't want anyone, including commutters to ever make a change to his schedule which benefits the pilot,, just say that.

My understanding is that scheduling these days is not will to do the compound deals they did a year and a half ago.

I do like the peacetime / wartime analogy that was made.
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Old 04-03-2017, 09:01 AM
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How can you support the current administration as a union worker and not be a hypocrite?
Because, when our contract is elevated to industry standard, you will not be identifying with the unionized car factory worker. You will be make FOUR TIMES what the average American HOUSEHOLD makes (you probably already make 3X).

I dont think low pilot pay is on this administration's agenda. Anymore than the last administration ensured we had an industry standard contract in 8 years of power.
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Old 04-03-2017, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AirbusRetard
So come summer melt down time the gravy chookers should have used all 5 of their jrms right?

Is there a way to grieve people going over the contract limit? When it happens can we make sure ALPA puts them in bad standing for violating be contract?

If they are downgrading their ALPA status are they allowed to vote on the next contract?
For every JA over 5 the company gets fined 300% of the captains pay. Some people had way more than that last year. The company paid the fines and moved on. It will probably happen again.
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For every JA over 5 the company gets fined 300% of the captains pay. Some people had way more than that last year. The company paid the fines and moved on. It will probably happen again.
Wonder where that cash goes... I'm thinking maybe the MEC has no incentive to stop JA's in excess of 5.
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Wonder where that cash goes... I'm thinking maybe the MEC has no incentive to stop JA's in excess of 5.
A valid point.

For example, we get an hour of pay for an failure to notify 12.H NCC. Easy money.

Do we really want scheduling to do their job and notify us?? When I can see it's late and collect the NCC and pay. Probably not. I'll take the 5 or 6 extra hours of pay every year
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Originally Posted by RJRJ
The above IS flying the CBA. Now non-revving yourself around to problem spots in the system, then calling scheduling tell them you have put yourself on airport standby... That would NOT be flying the CBA. If you don't want anyone, including commutters to ever make a change to his schedule which benefits the pilot,, just say that.

My understanding is that scheduling these days is not will to do the compound deals they did a year and a half ago.

I do like the peacetime / wartime analogy that was made.
No Sir, it is not! Taking the JRM and or MUP is CBA compliant! Taking MUP with a side of RLS from this or that is not CBA compliant! Scheduling may only offer JRM or MUP when drafting. Maybe you misunderstood what I wrote.
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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw
No Sir, it is not! Taking the JRM and or MUP is CBA compliant! Taking MUP with a side of RLS from this or that is not CBA compliant! Scheduling may only offer JRM or MUP when drafting. Maybe you misunderstood what I wrote.

I got a couple of calls over the last few days saying they were dropping/releasing to cover trips yesterday
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Wonder where that cash goes... I'm thinking maybe the MEC has no incentive to stop JA's in excess of 5.
They weren't happy about it. When the company was confronted about it the the schedulers who assigned the excessive JAs couldn't be tracked. The company claimed the signatures or records (I can't remember which) were gone. I believe it was around $142k.

So do the math, the pilot gets 200% and the union gets 300%. 500% and we can't get a contract? The worst offenders had over 12+ JAs....by September.
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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw
No Sir, it is not! Taking the JRM and or MUP is CBA compliant! Taking MUP with a side of RLS from this or that is not CBA compliant! Scheduling may only offer JRM or MUP when drafting. Maybe you misunderstood what I wrote.
This! ^^^ RJRJ and others here need to brush up on what's outside the CBA.
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