Spirit of NKS, Part IV
05-12-2017, 02:58 AM
#1201
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A320 Right
Posts: 378
What's wrong with this place!!?
In all seriousness, you guys are a serious bunch of Nancy's. It makes me want to pull my hair out.
In my opinion, why the union is rolling over and not fighting this TRO is beyond me. They give some crap excuse about focusing on the future and the TRO not having much effect anyway. But look at this place. You've got guys crapping their pants that they miss a scheduling phone call!!?? Wtf!!!!
I really tried to give this union the benifit of the doubt. I pulled the line, listened and kept my mouth shut.
But it has gotten way to out of hand now. They've gone beyond rolling over.
Now, again, they've got some bs fancy talk and reasons about being smart don't rock the boat but there is a long long list of insults and falsehoods that have gone unanswered.
National ALPA isn't any better. These jackasses are looking more and more like they don't really want us around, just our dues.
Why do I wear the green lanyard? To show unity!!??? Unity of what? You've got leadership that is not leading by example. They take their marching orders from D.C. white shoes and the pretense of quid isn't even being discussed.
All my time here I never understood why some of the apologists on here didn't fight the ridiculous actions of our leaders. Was it because you're riding that train to a fat check with them every month?
As for the rest of us...how dumb are we?
In all seriousness, you guys are a serious bunch of Nancy's. It makes me want to pull my hair out.
In my opinion, why the union is rolling over and not fighting this TRO is beyond me. They give some crap excuse about focusing on the future and the TRO not having much effect anyway. But look at this place. You've got guys crapping their pants that they miss a scheduling phone call!!?? Wtf!!!!
I really tried to give this union the benifit of the doubt. I pulled the line, listened and kept my mouth shut.
But it has gotten way to out of hand now. They've gone beyond rolling over.
Now, again, they've got some bs fancy talk and reasons about being smart don't rock the boat but there is a long long list of insults and falsehoods that have gone unanswered.
National ALPA isn't any better. These jackasses are looking more and more like they don't really want us around, just our dues.
Why do I wear the green lanyard? To show unity!!??? Unity of what? You've got leadership that is not leading by example. They take their marching orders from D.C. white shoes and the pretense of quid isn't even being discussed.
All my time here I never understood why some of the apologists on here didn't fight the ridiculous actions of our leaders. Was it because you're riding that train to a fat check with them every month?
As for the rest of us...how dumb are we?
05-12-2017, 03:29 AM
#1202
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 119
What's wrong with this place!!?
In all seriousness, you guys are a serious bunch of Nancy's. It makes me want to pull my hair out.
In my opinion, why the union is rolling over and not fighting this TRO is beyond me. They give some crap excuse about focusing on the future and the TRO not having much effect anyway. But look at this place. You've got guys crapping their pants that they miss a scheduling phone call!!?? Wtf!!!!
I really tried to give this union the benifit of the doubt. I pulled the line, listened and kept my mouth shut.
But it has gotten way to out of hand now. They've gone beyond rolling over.
Now, again, they've got some bs fancy talk and reasons about being smart don't rock the boat but there is a long long list of insults and falsehoods that have gone unanswered.
National ALPA isn't any better. These jackasses are looking more and more like they don't really want us around, just our dues.
Why do I wear the green lanyard? To show unity!!??? Unity of what? You've got leadership that is not leading by example. They take their marching orders from D.C. white shoes and the pretense of quid isn't even being discussed.
All my time here I never understood why some of the apologists on here didn't fight the ridiculous actions of our leaders. Was it because you're riding that train to a fat check with them every month?
As for the rest of us...how dumb are we?
In all seriousness, you guys are a serious bunch of Nancy's. It makes me want to pull my hair out.
In my opinion, why the union is rolling over and not fighting this TRO is beyond me. They give some crap excuse about focusing on the future and the TRO not having much effect anyway. But look at this place. You've got guys crapping their pants that they miss a scheduling phone call!!?? Wtf!!!!
I really tried to give this union the benifit of the doubt. I pulled the line, listened and kept my mouth shut.
But it has gotten way to out of hand now. They've gone beyond rolling over.
Now, again, they've got some bs fancy talk and reasons about being smart don't rock the boat but there is a long long list of insults and falsehoods that have gone unanswered.
National ALPA isn't any better. These jackasses are looking more and more like they don't really want us around, just our dues.
Why do I wear the green lanyard? To show unity!!??? Unity of what? You've got leadership that is not leading by example. They take their marching orders from D.C. white shoes and the pretense of quid isn't even being discussed.
All my time here I never understood why some of the apologists on here didn't fight the ridiculous actions of our leaders. Was it because you're riding that train to a fat check with them every month?
As for the rest of us...how dumb are we?
05-12-2017, 04:06 AM
#1203
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 468
Dude, they have pages of evidence against us. It's been well doucumented on this site alone of guys harassing and intimidating others. Anonymous site doesn't matter...guys on here mentioned specific initials of guys and specific flight numbers so it's not a fake person, it's people who works here with access to Flica. They have recordings of pilots on recorded lines actually saying they won't pick up trips out of fear of harassment, and even voicemails with guys saying they won't help out due to negotiations......I gauarentee they know or could easily find out who did the spachokers website which was clearly harasssment...the point being harassment and public shaming has started to happen and is completely illegal under the RLA and can be ruled a job action... our own attorneys that I met at the PUB event this week said some Of the evidence against us doesn't look good.... as crappy as this injunction is and frustrated as I am I completely support the union not fighting this...the TRO is merely a slap on the wrist and more of a warning to us.. act normal and Fly the way we usually have and we can go back to just fighting about the contract...the lawyers specifically said the other other night, specific names of individuals, and specific incidents will be aired out in public and there is zero anonymity if this proceeds to a legal battle...who in the hell wants or needs that... our focus and financial power as a union needs to squarely be at the negotiation table right now....we are in the meat and potatoes section of negotiations and that is where the fight and energy needs to be focused....fighting the TRO which is merely a warning shot at this point is a waste of energy...we'd lose that fight anyway....swallow the crap sandwich that is this TRO... pick up us much or as little opentime as you did before......status quo for all parties across the board and let's focus on the contract!
05-12-2017, 06:41 AM
#1205
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2017
Position: Bus FO
Posts: 35
Dude, they have pages of evidence against us. It's been well doucumented on this site alone of guys harassing and intimidating others. Anonymous site doesn't matter...guys on here mentioned specific initials of guys and specific flight numbers so it's not a fake person, it's people who works here with access to Flica. They have recordings of pilots on recorded lines actually saying they won't pick up trips out of fear of harassment, and even voicemails with guys saying they won't help out due to negotiations......I gauarentee they know or could easily find out who did the spachokers website which was clearly harasssment...the point being harassment and public shaming has started to happen and is completely illegal under the RLA and can be ruled a job action... our own attorneys that I met at the PUB event this week said some Of the evidence against us doesn't look good.... as crappy as this injunction is and frustrated as I am I completely support the union not fighting this...the TRO is merely a slap on the wrist and more of a warning to us.. act normal and Fly the way we usually have and we can go back to just fighting about the contract...the lawyers specifically said the other other night, specific names of individuals, and specific incidents will be aired out in public and there is zero anonymity if this proceeds to a legal battle...who in the hell wants or needs that... our focus and financial power as a union needs to squarely be at the negotiation table right now....we are in the meat and potatoes section of negotiations and that is where the fight and energy needs to be focused....fighting the TRO which is merely a warning shot at this point is a waste of energy...we'd lose that fight anyway....swallow the crap sandwich that is this TRO... pick up us much or as little opentime as you did before......status quo for all parties across the board and let's focus on the contract!
👆👆👌👌. Best level headed post..
05-12-2017, 06:58 AM
#1206
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Dude, they have pages of evidence against us. It's been well doucumented on this site alone of guys harassing and intimidating others. Anonymous site doesn't matter...guys on here mentioned specific initials of guys and specific flight numbers so it's not a fake person, it's people who works here with access to Flica. They have recordings of pilots on recorded lines actually saying they won't pick up trips out of fear of harassment, and even voicemails with guys saying they won't help out due to negotiations......I gauarentee they know or could easily find out who did the spachokers website which was clearly harasssment...the point being harassment and public shaming has started to happen and is completely illegal under the RLA and can be ruled a job action... our own attorneys that I met at the PUB event this week said some Of the evidence against us doesn't look good.... as crappy as this injunction is and frustrated as I am I completely support the union not fighting this...the TRO is merely a slap on the wrist and more of a warning to us.. act normal and Fly the way we usually have and we can go back to just fighting about the contract...the lawyers specifically said the other other night, specific names of individuals, and specific incidents will be aired out in public and there is zero anonymity if this proceeds to a legal battle...who in the hell wants or needs that... our focus and financial power as a union needs to squarely be at the negotiation table right now....we are in the meat and potatoes section of negotiations and that is where the fight and energy needs to be focused....fighting the TRO which is merely a warning shot at this point is a waste of energy...we'd lose that fight anyway....swallow the crap sandwich that is this TRO... pick up us much or as little opentime as you did before......status quo for all parties across the board and let's focus on the contract!
05-12-2017, 06:58 AM
#1207
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
What's wrong with this place!!?
In all seriousness, you guys are a serious bunch of Nancy's. It makes me want to pull my hair out.
In my opinion, why the union is rolling over and not fighting this TRO is beyond me. They give some crap excuse about focusing on the future and the TRO not having much effect anyway. But look at this place. You've got guys crapping their pants that they miss a scheduling phone call!!?? Wtf!!!!
I really tried to give this union the benifit of the doubt. I pulled the line, listened and kept my mouth shut.
But it has gotten way to out of hand now. They've gone beyond rolling over.
Now, again, they've got some bs fancy talk and reasons about being smart don't rock the boat but there is a long long list of insults and falsehoods that have gone unanswered.
National ALPA isn't any better. These jackasses are looking more and more like they don't really want us around, just our dues.
Why do I wear the green lanyard? To show unity!!??? Unity of what? You've got leadership that is not leading by example. They take their marching orders from D.C. white shoes and the pretense of quid isn't even being discussed.
All my time here I never understood why some of the apologists on here didn't fight the ridiculous actions of our leaders. Was it because you're riding that train to a fat check with them every month?
As for the rest of us...how dumb are we?
In all seriousness, you guys are a serious bunch of Nancy's. It makes me want to pull my hair out.
In my opinion, why the union is rolling over and not fighting this TRO is beyond me. They give some crap excuse about focusing on the future and the TRO not having much effect anyway. But look at this place. You've got guys crapping their pants that they miss a scheduling phone call!!?? Wtf!!!!
I really tried to give this union the benifit of the doubt. I pulled the line, listened and kept my mouth shut.
But it has gotten way to out of hand now. They've gone beyond rolling over.
Now, again, they've got some bs fancy talk and reasons about being smart don't rock the boat but there is a long long list of insults and falsehoods that have gone unanswered.
National ALPA isn't any better. These jackasses are looking more and more like they don't really want us around, just our dues.
Why do I wear the green lanyard? To show unity!!??? Unity of what? You've got leadership that is not leading by example. They take their marching orders from D.C. white shoes and the pretense of quid isn't even being discussed.
All my time here I never understood why some of the apologists on here didn't fight the ridiculous actions of our leaders. Was it because you're riding that train to a fat check with them every month?
As for the rest of us...how dumb are we?
05-12-2017, 08:19 AM
#1208
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,823
Don't expect much from from ALPA National.
It's your local union and pilot group that truly need to stand up to the company. ALPA National historically has been a bunch of cowards.
It's your local union and pilot group that truly need to stand up to the company. ALPA National historically has been a bunch of cowards.
Last edited by Scoop; 05-12-2017 at 11:17 AM. Reason: TOS Violation
05-12-2017, 09:53 AM
#1209
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A320 Right
Posts: 378
I went to a pub event and was told by one of the 'leaders' we need to go above and beyond what we normally did in the past. Are you F'n kidding me!! I didn't pick up in the past and I'm not inclined to change a thing for this company. The union never did suggest I stop picking up, to the contrary even. Now they want me to 'carry this company on our backs!"? Did you see the latest email? Go F yourself!!! You want my family to sacrifice for this place!?
Guess I'll never see my billboards or newspaper ads. What a bunch of choke artists.
Guess I'll never see my billboards or newspaper ads. What a bunch of choke artists.
Last edited by Scoop; 05-12-2017 at 11:17 AM. Reason: Quoted post was edited.
05-12-2017, 11:05 AM
#1210
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
I went to a pub event and was told by one of the 'leaders' we need to go above and beyond what we normally did in the past. Are you F'n kidding me!! I didn't pick up in the past and I'm not inclined to change a thing for this company. The union never did suggest I stop picking up, to the contrary even. Now they want me to 'carry this company on our backs!"? Did you see the latest email? Go F yourself!!! You want my family to sacrifice for this place!?
Guess I'll never see my billboards or newspaper ads. What a bunch of choke artists.
Guess I'll never see my billboards or newspaper ads. What a bunch of choke artists.
Please stop, please.
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