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Old 01-11-2017, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw
Yeah, this is nothing like Republic and F9. Not sure how you can compare Spirit that way. 15%-20% profit margins and a billion in the bank. Fun to speculate who will buy us, though.
Margins and $$ in the bank are good, but if you can't find pilots to fly the planes, it won't matter for long. In my opinion, and I have been pessimistic on any "pilot shortage" for the last decade and a half, if they wait too long to increase pay, that's where they will find themselves.
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Originally Posted by FreeSmiles
Margins and $$ in the bank are good, but if you can't find pilots to fly the planes, it won't matter for long. In my opinion, and I have been pessimistic on any "pilot shortage" for the last decade and a half, if they wait too long to increase pay, that's where they will find themselves.
They will keep dropping minimums to fill class dates. They will get waivers from the government to go even lower and they will in the end sponsor green cards to fill class dates.

It is up to ALPA to get the pay up. The company will never do it on their own.
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
They will keep dropping minimums to fill class dates. They will get waivers from the government to go even lower and they will in the end sponsor green cards to fill class dates.

It is up to ALPA to get the pay up. The company will never do it on their own.
Until there's a smoking hole courtesy dropped minimums and relaxed standards. There won't be too many Free Smiles down in Miramar if/ when that happens.
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Until there's a smoking hole courtesy dropped minimums and relaxed standards. There won't be too many Free Smiles down in Miramar if/ when that happens.
Sadly they will move on without "starting over" and we'll be the ones F'd
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Sadly they will move on without "starting over" and we'll be the ones F'd
Probably true.
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Old 01-12-2017, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dukeuno
They really didn't get stapled. I think Air Tran wanted Relative Seniority, but instead it was Date of Hire with an equation used to figure out seniority ( not to sure about the equation they used on Date of Hire). I am sure there is an AirTran or SWA pilot on here that could clarify this.
The basic formula came out to:

SWA DOH = AT DOH - 3 or 4 years
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Old 01-12-2017, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
My story is the information that is told by the Frontier interview consultant to be used in the Frontier interview.
Have to love airlines that expect you to lie and blow smoke up their asses to get hired. A great way to start a job.
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Old 01-12-2017, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FreeSmiles
Margins and $$ in the bank are good, but if you can't find pilots to fly the planes, it won't matter for long. In my opinion, and I have been pessimistic on any "pilot shortage" for the last decade and a half, if they wait too long to increase pay, that's where they will find themselves.
We were dealt a good hand with all these new routes we added. Even in January we are cancelling due to lack of crews. So how do we expect to add all these new routes in the Spring and Summer? Investors and the BOD will take notice, when is the question.
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Old 01-12-2017, 11:16 AM
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We were dealt a good hand with all these new routes we added. Even in January we are cancelling due to lack of crews. So how do we expect to add all these new routes in the Spring and Summer? Investors and the BOD will take notice, when is the question.
They don't give a rats ass about that, if they did they wouldn't be limiting the Negotiations to 3 days a month.

I wish you guys luck and I hope you are able to really disrupt the operation. I also hope Jyri & Bendo get canned over it
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Old 01-12-2017, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SkywardAZ
We were dealt a good hand with all these new routes we added. Even in January we are cancelling due to lack of crews. So how do we expect to add all these new routes in the Spring and Summer? Investors and the BOD will take notice, when is the question.
Yes, maybe increase the pay to attract and keep pilots. Just a thought.
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