Left Handed

Holy negative caster, Batman!

ShopVac

This LOA is brought to you by the same Negotiator who said, "this company will never go public, and even if they did we wouldnt want their *#%}#]**} stock anyway"

SAVE IPO Price - $12
SAVE today - $78.39

Do you trust their judgement for the next contract, that is the question? Yes?, vote yes! No?, vote NO!

How are those stock options working out for you?

Car Ramrod

At some point someone is gonna ask the question "what if we vote no?" 1-One possible outcome is they could continue to do things the way they have always done. 2- Or we could re-negotiate the TA and perhaps get a better offer. 3-Or they could possibly designate each crew room/ other rented room as a training site and make us come to our domicile to do the training. I personally don't think option 1 is likely whatsoever. 2- it's possible, but from managements perspective, they have already offered us a deal better than any other airline gets. I'm not sure if they would budge. Is it worth a shot? Perhaps. Option 3 is possible I suppose. If I were in management that's what I would do. It will be cheaper than flying everyone down to FLL and paying for hotels and dropped trips. I don't think this is a "Scare Tactic". I think it is a valid answer to a good question.

Lobaeux

I'm not sure I understand. Both the LOA and the EFB manual stress the pilot is not responsible except in case of willful misconduct. I'm not sure you've ever been issued company materiel before, but this is standard. A police report? Yes, if it's stolen, that's standard.

Where did you hear we were going to have to purchase them 3 years later at retail cost?

Sim data card? In an iPad?

The Jepp updates take moments, it's really not hard to do, it can be done at home before you come in. Wifi will be great at the terminal, but in the length of time it took me to type this, I'd have already finished my Jepp update at home. I not sure I understand the issue with this.

Now, like Sailor said, if a No vote will get more pay per hour for training, I'm all about voting No then.

If a No vote is because I think the company is going to try and stiff me out of $400 if I accidentally drop an iPad, or I'm worried about Jepp updates, or I want deadhead pay restored because of training, if that's the only reason to vote No, then I don't see the logic in this.

I'm also not sure how voting Yes for this LOA is gonna hold up my upgrade or cause less pilots to be hired.

Qotsaautopilot

Car Ramrod

No matter what they do if we vote no they will still have to put that training on the existing schedule of every pilot with 12-13 days off. If we vote yes, they get all those days for free requiring less pilots.

Qotsaautopilot

Let me guess, first union airline?

Lobaeux

Yep!

So, your previous Union airline made you purchase items later that were first issued to you?

That's crap! That would definitley be a good reason to leave that airline to come here.

I missed that mandatory purchase plan in the LOA, on that basis it's a No for me too!

Lemonade

The point is that it is our responsibility to show the breakage was not 'willful misconduct' since they have the power of payroll deduction. You know who you are dealing with right?

If its stolen in the middle of a trip are you going to wait 5 hrs for Boston PD to report a 'stolen iPad'? Really dude? Who takes the delay?

If they do charge you do you really think they apply depreciation to the value? yea right!

And yes...most iPads come with a sim card for data. Yes, it costs more for that version but the corporate data plans are dirt cheap. The other airlines use them.

Try doing an update on your screaming home WIFI when you are in the middle of a 6 day commute/trip and a fed is going along for the ride. Get real.

Sailor

I Disagree, I'm voting no for the reasons I stated, unless anything changes to make me vote otherwise. And I do trust our Union. Probably no the right time to start antagonizing now ShopVac.

Qotsaautopilot

Double post