Spirit of NKS
01-20-2015, 02:48 PM
#9732
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,432
Maybe that will be the result of a NO vote, but the company would loose (or lose for Gringo 
) the only leverage THEY have on the issue - Jepp updates and having to mule charts around. Even if we get what we want (no updates) and push what they want to section 6, I'm sure, based on past practice, we will loose our a$$ in the end anyway.
Now if only oil was high we could show fuel savings from the extra 20 lbs of charts each of us is carrying.
) the only leverage THEY have on the issue - Jepp updates and having to mule charts around. Even if we get what we want (no updates) and push what they want to section 6, I'm sure, based on past practice, we will loose our a$$ in the end anyway.Now if only oil was high we could show fuel savings from the extra 20 lbs of charts each of us is carrying.
As previously mentioned in contract negotiations we may need to settle for industry average, which this seems to look like, but we can make up for this concession with higher pay or benefits elsewhere.
I'll go ahead and throw this a no vote too. I'll also send up the channels that the two issues should be separated.
01-20-2015, 03:09 PM
#9733
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
Its hard to imagine why something as simple as adding "2 floating drop days" was not added into this LOA to make up for the 2 days of duty we will be working to complete recurrent.
2 days of 5 hours pay and 2 paid float days to use anytime throughout the year would make this much more likely to pass, and probably as Yes vote from me.
Why would I do any work if I am not on duty to work? If I wanted to take my work home with me, I would have been in sales or a banker.
2 days of 5 hours pay and 2 paid float days to use anytime throughout the year would make this much more likely to pass, and probably as Yes vote from me.
Why would I do any work if I am not on duty to work? If I wanted to take my work home with me, I would have been in sales or a banker.
01-20-2015, 03:33 PM
#9734
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Airbus
Posts: 630
For myself the company would have to drop a four day trip with pay protection and pay me an additional 20 hours of pay to do this at home. I wouldn't be surprised if the "2 days" takes closer to 4 days to complete. For those with kids closer to 6 days to complete. That is if they wanted my yes vote. As is no.
01-20-2015, 03:40 PM
#9735
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 66
It would be nice to have iPad for Jep Charts and company publications. But, I am not willing to use my time off to do 18 hours of training for 10 hours of pay in exchange for 1 touch updates on an iPad. I am happy to do paper updates for the time being.
No for me.
No for me.
01-20-2015, 04:12 PM
#9736
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
My napkin math says this is at least a 1% concession. Assuming the company gains 2000 days average per year at 2 days per pilot for 1000 pilots. Some guys are already training on days off and many others are dropping more than two days of flying for it so we will use the two day average
2000 duty periods needs 9.25 extra pilots on staff to cover the flying assuming they all have a min day off schedule.
In a group of 1000 pilots that is about a 1% savings to the company.
Assuming we would take straight cash for those days 1% raise on a pilot making 72 hours every month is between 8-9hrs of extra pay from current book. We are getting 2 in this loa.
That also doesn't account for those that will be 9 pilots away from upgrade or a few from holding their base of choice or being furloughed by one class some day. I've been furloughed by one class before and it's a quite expensive and stressful time. I wouldn't wish that for anyone.
2000 duty periods needs 9.25 extra pilots on staff to cover the flying assuming they all have a min day off schedule.
In a group of 1000 pilots that is about a 1% savings to the company.
Assuming we would take straight cash for those days 1% raise on a pilot making 72 hours every month is between 8-9hrs of extra pay from current book. We are getting 2 in this loa.
That also doesn't account for those that will be 9 pilots away from upgrade or a few from holding their base of choice or being furloughed by one class some day. I've been furloughed by one class before and it's a quite expensive and stressful time. I wouldn't wish that for anyone.
01-20-2015, 05:18 PM
#9737
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 155
With all else equal, the company would still save money with going electronic. This LOA should be about the rules and protections involved with ipads only. Everything else can be addressed in the next contract. I will gladly do paper chart updates until Jepp stops printing them.
01-20-2015, 05:42 PM
#9738
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2010
Posts: 429
Don't you almost have to vote no regardless? Send a strong message that we aren't taking crap this Aug.
01-20-2015, 05:49 PM
#9739
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
This LOA sets the tone for negotiations and what we will view as acceptable for a new contract. It tells management that we will not accept substandard provisions, work rules, or pay and it tells the negotiating committee that we will not accept substandard LOAs or TAs.
01-20-2015, 05:53 PM
#9740
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Position: Bus Capt.
Posts: 27
This to me is one of the best points so far.
This LOA sets the tone for negotiations and what we will view as acceptable for a new contract. It tells management that we will not accept substandard provisions, work rules, or pay and it tells the negotiating committee that we will not accept substandard LOAs or TAs.
This LOA sets the tone for negotiations and what we will view as acceptable for a new contract. It tells management that we will not accept substandard provisions, work rules, or pay and it tells the negotiating committee that we will not accept substandard LOAs or TAs.
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