Spirit of NKS
01-14-2015, 12:01 PM
#9511
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
I like to help out people find ways to make that cash.
01-14-2015, 12:57 PM
#9512
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 50
Just a FYI. When you fly with the senior guys who are clueless to the rest of the industry who still think they have it so good, DAL MD-88 CA just went to a 2008 new hire @ a pay rate of 186/hr. Not to mention profit sharing and 16% DC plan. DALs junior CA on their mosr junior A/C makes more than our Most senior CA on our most "senior" A/C, lol.
Hope that opens up some eyes come contract time....
Hope that opens up some eyes come contract time....
01-14-2015, 01:03 PM
#9513
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 50
If you were a 15 year Spirit captain would you rather:
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
01-14-2015, 01:16 PM
#9514
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 320 Left soon middle
Posts: 488
If you were a 15 year Spirit captain would you rather:
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
01-14-2015, 01:18 PM
#9515
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
I honestly can't answer that, mostly because the top of the pay scales are pretty close, but to the 90% of us at Spirit who haven't been here 15 years, the numbers are not nearly as close and DAL F/O and junior Ca pay blows ours away.
I LOVE 4 Days off, but that's because ACY probably won't be around forever and if/when it closes that clause will probably save my sanity & marriage.
Look, I really love it here and I don't want to go to Delta, I really don't. I just want us to strive to get a lot closer to their total compensation. VX GUYS make more per hr than we do.
Lastly, that extra 7% is so friggin huge when it comes to retirement. That 7% compounded over a career is a lot, and I mean a lot of money.
I LOVE 4 Days off, but that's because ACY probably won't be around forever and if/when it closes that clause will probably save my sanity & marriage.
Look, I really love it here and I don't want to go to Delta, I really don't. I just want us to strive to get a lot closer to their total compensation. VX GUYS make more per hr than we do.
Lastly, that extra 7% is so friggin huge when it comes to retirement. That 7% compounded over a career is a lot, and I mean a lot of money.
Last edited by JoeyMeatballs; 01-14-2015 at 01:30 PM.
01-14-2015, 01:59 PM
#9516
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A319, A320, A321
Posts: 547
If you were a 15 year Spirit captain would you rather:
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
Delta all day...
01-14-2015, 02:02 PM
#9517
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 272
I don't think we are entitled to ask for the same pay rates as DAL but there is a LOT of margin before we even get close to them.
So I want the good with the good.
01-14-2015, 02:15 PM
#9518
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,432
Correct. Plus delta is going into negotiations in 15 and will likely greatly improve upon the current rates
01-14-2015, 02:49 PM
#9519
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
If you were a 15 year Spirit captain would you rather:
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
A. Spirit's A320 pay of $185/hr with 9% retirement match, no profit sharing, 4 days off between trips, line bidding, transition conflicts.
or
B. Delta's A320 pay of $203/hr with 15% retirement, about 8% profit sharing, no guarantee of 4 days off, Pref Bidding, and no transition conflicts.
Honest question.
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