The Juice

That contract section is more having to do with a duty period that runs delayed past midnight and when (past 2am) you would be eligible for a comp day or day off pay.

If your schedule to arrive at 23:59, and your duty off period is 00:29, you will be considered to have worked that last day, even if it is for 29 minutes. So it will not be counted as a "day off" on Flica but will be counted as a consecutive day when using it towards a conflict etc.

I always look at bids that have these days in it to end a trip or day trips. FLica sort will show it not being a day off (on that past midnight day) but it essentially is if you live in base and will be home that night. Nice way to realize an extra few days at home.

To further complicate, the bid packets may count the past midnight duty periods as a day off on reserve lines. So be careful with the "days off" in the bid packages on, for example, R19 lines. Dont know if they have corrected this on the bid packets, I usually dont bid off the packets but use Flica sort instead.

Confused now?

Don't be shy about contacting our scheduling committee with questions. I went to them a lot with contract questions when I was getting the hang of section 25 and 12 and they are a BIG help.

JoeyMeatballs

This is also just some food for thought but when bidding conflicts, it's better to have a conflict because of a 30/7 as opposed to trip touching. You make more money that way (I think anyway, lol)

When trips touch you don't get paid for both days where the conflict is........

The Juice

I would say it depends on the conflict. If you have a carry over into the next month and an overlap, yeah, you dont get paid for both.

However if you end a month on a 5 day stretch with a clean end at the end, and bid a conflict 4 day to start the next month, its better to not have the 30/7 issue. They could clean up the next month to drop you to 6 days straight and if you are close to 30/7 (or really 29/7) you cant pick up anything on those conflict dropped days because youre at 29/7.

I like picking up red eye turns to end the month, because each one counts as 2 days worked, so try and snag one of the 28th and 30th, it will count as 4 days worked in a 31 day month. I bid a conflict 4 day to start the next month, once final schedule are out, I drop the red eye turns because everything is still green, and I score my conflict drop for the next month because I rarely see them drop the prior month to clean conflicts up. So there is the 8 days off, paid conflict, and now available to pick up a 4 day during IOT for the first of the new month.

JoeyMeatballs

^ I like where your heads at! Solid strategy

Normann

30/7 (29/7 to be correct) kind typically gives you more $$. This is because you can actually have this with a day off in between the conflicting trips. So it may reach further into the new month and if you are less senior you may not hold lines that start on the the 1st. But now a days it is hard to find high blocking trips. You also have to watch it carefully and make sure all those 29h 01m is inside the 7 days. I.e. be aware of a red eye that goes LAS-FLL and only the first 30 min is on the day of departure. Ask me how I know...

The old recipe was:
After transition was adjusted, assuming the new month was dropped, drop the end of the old month while everyone is holding to the trips and it is green. Then pick up something a few days away from the transition area. Something that ends by the 27th-28th or so. This way you are free to pick up. Then make yourself AVL starting the 30th or so until the 5th. Rinse repeat. This is how I credited over 1400h credit with like 850h block and no more than 5 JRMs. I did that for several years. Of course none of this works anymore. There is no OT. You can't really drop then pick up that freely. Also the company got smarter building less lines with a conflict and shorter conflicts. And finally, the pilots got smarter. I used to be up against the old guys with their jitterbugs against my smart phone. Most did not even pay for alerts. Most never cared to read the contract either. It was easy to get a conflict every month. Now I get my ass beaten in FLICA most the time. All you new guys are wired in... I gave up plus I am reserve so I can't even pick up anyways.

The Juice

I only tell you because youre in ACY and no threat to me in DFW. Not like any DFW guys are on this thing..haha

JoeyMeatballs

ACY is awesome. I'm bidding #12 this month and my first 13 choices have a conflict .

gonyon

I was gonna say you might wanna keep this gold nugget under guard!

JoeyMeatballs

Just a FYI. When you fly with the senior guys who are clueless to the rest of the industry who still think they have it so good, DAL MD-88 CA just went to a 2008 new hire @ a pay rate of 186/hr. Not to mention profit sharing and 16% DC plan. DALs junior CA on their mosr junior A/C makes more than our Most senior CA on our most "senior" A/C, lol.

Hope that opens up some eyes come contract time....

gonyon

It's just the beginning. Let the flood gates open!

I'll stick around until 500 a320 pic at which point if we aren't dang close to a good contract I'll start making my way toward the exits