Spirit of NKS
11-12-2014, 11:05 AM
#8721
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 549
Pretty sure I'm senior to you, does that give me more "APC cred"? I've also been directly affected by my base closing, does that put me in "diamond status APC cred" territory?
11-12-2014, 11:06 AM
#8722
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 549
And if I am a Diamond status APC poster, do I get free breadsticks and cognac?
11-12-2014, 11:13 AM
#8723
escaped
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 227
We will be giving away freebies to management during negotiations, if we allow ourselves to depend on soft rules to improve our QOL or pay.
Only hard rules count: Min guarantee, pay, min days off.
Soft rules, which company has control over:
NO reserve call out list.
"Option" to assign reserves by credit or days of availability? (according to Sched. supervisor)
Open time, reserve/relief staffing, pairings.
Open time, and it's assignment, are not transparent yet.
CS does assign trips to pilots who "call in" or to reserves, before posting on Flica. We are all aware of the side deals.
Planning "optimizes" the schedules to avoid the 22 hrs layover credit.
Isn't there less soft time and more 21:50 hr layovers?
If 150% is negotiated back without a min. open time formula, it means nothing.
Currently about 20% of our pilots are on first year pay.
Reserve is cheap, compared to 150% for a 2nd or 3rd year pay FO.
That will change, and so will open time.
Regardless of individual priorities, the focus of negotiations should be on hard rules that give no, or minimum, leeway for manipulation.
I am very happy here and will work on continuing to be.
Only hard rules count: Min guarantee, pay, min days off.
Soft rules, which company has control over:
NO reserve call out list.
"Option" to assign reserves by credit or days of availability? (according to Sched. supervisor)
Open time, reserve/relief staffing, pairings.
Open time, and it's assignment, are not transparent yet.
CS does assign trips to pilots who "call in" or to reserves, before posting on Flica. We are all aware of the side deals.
Planning "optimizes" the schedules to avoid the 22 hrs layover credit.
Isn't there less soft time and more 21:50 hr layovers?
If 150% is negotiated back without a min. open time formula, it means nothing.
Currently about 20% of our pilots are on first year pay.
Reserve is cheap, compared to 150% for a 2nd or 3rd year pay FO.
That will change, and so will open time.
Regardless of individual priorities, the focus of negotiations should be on hard rules that give no, or minimum, leeway for manipulation.
I am very happy here and will work on continuing to be.
11-12-2014, 11:23 AM
#8724
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
I don't care if a guy has been here for 1 day of Indoc. If they are coming from 121 I'm pretty sure they know how negotiations work and how airlines in general work. They also probably have a better idea of what fair pay and work rules are than someone who's been here 20 years. Why? Because they have been in the job market in a post bankruptcy era and probably have a good idea of what today's contracts are paying. Unlike the guy sitting in there with his transition conflict blinders on thinking its still 2010. All I have to do is mention retirement, ltd, rigs, or any other line item of today's contracts and guys say "really? They have that? I didn't realize." We all need to get in the game and get educated. And most importantly be unified! The growth pony will only run so long.
11-12-2014, 12:14 PM
#8725
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 279
I don't care if a guy has been here for 1 day of Indoc. If they are coming from 121 I'm pretty sure they know how negotiations work and how airlines in general work. They also probably have a better idea of what fair pay and work rules are than someone who's been here 20 years. Why? Because they have been in the job market in a post bankruptcy era and probably have a good idea of what today's contracts are paying. Unlike the guy sitting in there with his transition conflict blinders on thinking its still 2010. All I have to do is mention retirement, ltd, rigs, or any other line item of today's contracts and guys say "really? They have that? I didn't realize." We all need to get in the game and get educated. And most importantly be unified! The growth pony will only run so long.
11-12-2014, 12:40 PM
#8726
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
Posts: 1,065
the 150% talk cracks me up.... How about we worry about industry standard pay, retirement, 6 hour min day, red eye override.... To name a few.
150% means nothing when we are making 50% less than our peers..swa, delta, aa( which was offered the highest paying contract in the industry) unical, and jb....
150% means nothing when we are making 50% less than our peers..swa, delta, aa( which was offered the highest paying contract in the industry) unical, and jb....
11-12-2014, 12:44 PM
#8727
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
Posts: 1,065
I don't care if a guy has been here for 1 day of Indoc. If they are coming from 121 I'm pretty sure they know how negotiations work and how airlines in general work. They also probably have a better idea of what fair pay and work rules are than someone who's been here 20 years. Why? Because they have been in the job market in a post bankruptcy era and probably have a good idea of what today's contracts are paying. Unlike the guy sitting in there with his transition conflict blinders on thinking its still 2010. All I have to do is mention retirement, ltd, rigs, or any other line item of today's contracts and guys say "really? They have that? I didn't realize." We all need to get in the game and get educated. And most importantly be unified! The growth pony will only run so long.
11-12-2014, 12:58 PM
#8728
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Oh yeah.
SCOOOOOOPPPPPPEEEEE!!!!!!!
SCOOOOOOPPPPPPEEEEE!!!!!!!
11-12-2014, 01:09 PM
#8729
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 279
Yes, scope! But none of the above means shi it without Merger and Buyout protection either.. Which I guess SWA is going to do... Heard it on the Jumpseat the other day��
11-12-2014, 01:21 PM
#8730
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
No fng way anyone is buying us with a $78.xx share price
Besides, SWA dont charge for bags, even says so on their planes
, ya know....................."the big ones", lol
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