Spirit of NKS
08-29-2014, 03:52 PM
#7751
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
Well I'm just a "newbie" but even I know that whoever is the CA rep for 77 won't matter for the ALPA president election. Because our entire MEC will cast votes for 1 candidate and that candidate will be decided at BOD when all the back room deals are struck. This is how it always happens and will be this way for the next election. Surprise!
You've obviously have never been to BOD. Welcome to reality. It's cold and dark.
I'm done with this thread for a couple days, until the new Spirit board opens back up and we can clean this up a bit.
08-29-2014, 04:15 PM
#7752
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 63
So just because the 3 reps happen to be off that day, they decide to schedule a vote AFTER the bids came out AND you need to be present at the meeting in LAS to vote when the MAJORITY of 77 pilots are based in DFW smells VERY ROTTEN to me. Typical MEC dirty politics we've seen over and over throughout the many years! I suggest that every 77 pilot write ALPA Membership ([email protected]) and complain about this! Demand a vote in DFW as well!
Remember, the Interim Captain Rep will have a vote in the National President's election. So the Interim Rep does matter.
Hey newbies, starting to get it now?
Remember, the Interim Captain Rep will have a vote in the National President's election. So the Interim Rep does matter.
Hey newbies, starting to get it now?
08-29-2014, 04:18 PM
#7753
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 63
Well I'm just a "newbie" but even I know that whoever is the CA rep for 77 won't matter for the ALPA president election. Won't matter because our entire MEC will cast votes for 1 candidate and that candidate will be decided at BOD when all the back room deals are struck. This is how it always happens and will be this way for the next election, and the one after that.
08-30-2014, 08:36 AM
#7755
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
I do not like the fact that 77 is having this meeting in Vegas and you have to be present to vote. I don't know what the ALPA bylaws are, but I don't like it.
However...the "election" that will be taking place in a motel conference room in Las Vegas, is only for the interim position, 5 month term.
The 3 year term vote will be by ballots, mailed to our homes. So we can all nominate and vote.
Per the email
"The ballots for the Group I new reps nominations for the term beginning March 1, 2015, and ending February 28, 2018, will mail on September 5. At the council meeting on September 23 we will be counting ballots; you do not have to be present for this process."
So the larger issue is who we elect for the full term that starts March 1.
So those of you in 77 that like to come on the boards and say how bad the MEC is, how we need a change, how it's corrupt. Well here is your chance. Announce your desire to be nominated for the full term starting in March. Realizing it's easier to just sit and complain about the current group of volunteers, because that's what they are, volunteers; change it if you don't like it.
However...the "election" that will be taking place in a motel conference room in Las Vegas, is only for the interim position, 5 month term.
The 3 year term vote will be by ballots, mailed to our homes. So we can all nominate and vote.
Per the email
"The ballots for the Group I new reps nominations for the term beginning March 1, 2015, and ending February 28, 2018, will mail on September 5. At the council meeting on September 23 we will be counting ballots; you do not have to be present for this process."
So the larger issue is who we elect for the full term that starts March 1.
So those of you in 77 that like to come on the boards and say how bad the MEC is, how we need a change, how it's corrupt. Well here is your chance. Announce your desire to be nominated for the full term starting in March. Realizing it's easier to just sit and complain about the current group of volunteers, because that's what they are, volunteers; change it if you don't like it.
Therefore, the interim Capt Rep election is of vast importance .
A full slate of candidates have announced their intention to serve for all positions. I'm not one of them, so I won't place their names here in public. But I'll be happy to let you know in a PM.
In the mean time, search Facebook for spirit council 77.
08-30-2014, 09:04 AM
#7756
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
So just because the 3 reps happen to be off that day, they decide to schedule a vote AFTER the bids came out AND you need to be present at the meeting in LAS to vote when the MAJORITY of 77 pilots are based in DFW smells VERY ROTTEN to me. Typical MEC dirty politics we've seen over and over throughout the many years! I suggest that every 77 pilot write ALPA Membership ([email protected]) and complain about this! Demand a vote in DFW as well!
Remember, the Interim Captain Rep will have a vote in the National President's election. So the Interim Rep does matter.
Hey newbies, starting to get it now?
Remember, the Interim Captain Rep will have a vote in the National President's election. So the Interim Rep does matter.
Hey newbies, starting to get it now?
I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
08-30-2014, 01:10 PM
#7757
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
The "we we're all off that day" is a smokescreen. It is true, but it distracts from the obvious truth. The election comes around every three years. It's not like it snuck up on them. The date for a nomination meeting should be planned well in advance and announced far enough out so that all members of the local have to opportunity to bid for that day off. To wait until after final schedules are set before setting a nomination meeting date is at best incompetent. However, with the ability to nominate via US Mail, the late date selection for the scheduled election is not the problem. The problem comes from the unexpected resignation of the 77 Capt Rep; and now we have a legitimate concern - not of anyone's making - that the late scheduled meeting is actually responsible for effectively denying the DFW based 77 members an opportunity to vote in the interim election.
I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
08-30-2014, 02:12 PM
#7758
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 501
The "we we're all off that day" is a smokescreen. It is true, but it distracts from the obvious truth. The election comes around every three years. It's not like it snuck up on them. The date for a nomination meeting should be planned well in advance and announced far enough out so that all members of the local have to opportunity to bid for that day off. To wait until after final schedules are set before setting a nomination meeting date is at best incompetent. However, with the ability to nominate via US Mail, the late date selection for the scheduled election is not the problem. The problem comes from the unexpected resignation of the 77 Capt Rep; and now we have a legitimate concern - not of anyone's making - that the late scheduled meeting is actually responsible for effectively denying the DFW based 77 members an opportunity to vote in the interim election.
I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
08-30-2014, 03:11 PM
#7759
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
The "we we're all off that day" is a smokescreen. It is true, but it distracts from the obvious truth. The election comes around every three years. It's not like it snuck up on them. The date for a nomination meeting should be planned well in advance and announced far enough out so that all members of the local have to opportunity to bid for that day off. To wait until after final schedules are set before setting a nomination meeting date is at best incompetent. However, with the ability to nominate via US Mail, the late date selection for the scheduled election is not the problem. The problem comes from the unexpected resignation of the 77 Capt Rep; and now we have a legitimate concern - not of anyone's making - that the late scheduled meeting is actually responsible for effectively denying the DFW based 77 members an opportunity to vote in the interim election.
I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
I call on the SPA MEC to do the right thing and find a way to allow the DFW based members of Local 77 a venue to vote in base for the interim Capt Rep vs attempting a virtually impossible commute to and from a meeting in LAS. If the DFW based members are disenfranchised, the division will only get worse and we really don't need any more division leading into negotiations. To the MEC, the ball is in your court. What's more important to you? Winning your political games or negotiating a kick butt contract with the full support of your constituents?
08-30-2014, 03:59 PM
#7760
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 193
Are you all happy with the DFW pilots being effectively locked out of the meeting?
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