Spirit of NKS
06-19-2014, 04:52 PM
#7501
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
Deep breath, you'll still make upgrade before you go to your third recurrent. I'm kidding. Seriously though, don't forget to shutoff the engine anti ice before you shut down an engine. Then don't tell me you wrote it up "in case it was something else." It happened more than once this past winter thanks to new upgrades. Oh ya....on a through flight with pax on board.
06-22-2014, 07:25 AM
#7503
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,466
I was just happy to see 10 upgrades. I'm also happy to see you still keep faith in the written word, hopefully your experiences will prove better than mine.
Cheers
06-24-2014, 07:02 AM
#7504
Banned
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
So ALPA put out the red/green win, the company put out a rebuttal to our union claim of wrongdoing, and company says that the changes have been applied to the system....July looks like any other month, 3-5 green days, mostly red and black days....is this how is going to be or it'll change in the next few months.
06-24-2014, 10:08 AM
#7505
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
So ALPA put out the red/green win, the company put out a rebuttal to our union claim of wrongdoing, and company says that the changes have been applied to the system....July looks like any other month, 3-5 green days, mostly red and black days....is this how is going to be or it'll change in the next few months.
So all they have to do now is set that level 1 pilot below the actual reserve staffing. Now everything is 75% green by 1 pilot when going into DOT, which is compliant with the contract. DOT opens and as soon as 1 drop or swap goes through, its black or red again. And now we are all stuck again for the month.
Am I missing something or is this another huge loophole that a 4th grader could exploit if they were running staffing??
The arbitration was about the company changing the reserve staffing requirements after DOT opens, in order to make everything red. But if they simply make 75% green by 1 going into DOT, how does this really help anyone?
Its a joke, it really is. DFW has days of 18 FOs required for reserve coverage, we have 19 going into DOT, 1 drop and then BAM, its black and nothing can be done. 1 day has 2 FOs required for reserve in DFW. How do you have 18 required 1 day and then 2 the next? And if 2 is only required, why do we build schedules with 17 FOs having reserve that day? Those should not even have been built into the schedule if only 2 FOs are required per the company, make those days off on the schedule bid.
Also, *** do Red Eyes count on 2 days when 1 pilot will staff it? So 2 days are Red because of 1 trip? How does this even make sense? In order to drop 1 red eye on a Monday, you have to have a green day on Tuesday?
06-24-2014, 10:57 AM
#7506
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
The way I understand it, there is nothing to prevent the company from setting whatever reserve minimums they want prior to the IOT.
So all they have to do now is set that level 1 pilot below the actual reserve staffing. Now everything is 75% green by 1 pilot when going into DOT, which is compliant with the contract. DOT opens and as soon as 1 drop or swap goes through, its black or red again. And now we are all stuck again for the month.
Am I missing something or is this another huge loophole that a 4th grader could exploit if they were running staffing??
The arbitration was about the company changing the reserve staffing requirements after DOT opens, in order to make everything red. But if they simply make 75% green by 1 going into DOT, how does this really help anyone?
Its a joke, it really is. DFW has days of 18 FOs required for reserve coverage, we have 19 going into DOT, 1 drop and then BAM, its black and nothing can be done. 1 day has 2 FOs required for reserve in DFW. How do you have 18 required 1 day and then 2 the next? And if 2 is only required, why do we build schedules with 17 FOs having reserve that day? Those should not even have been built into the schedule if only 2 FOs are required per the company, make those days off on the schedule bid.
Also, *** do Red Eyes count on 2 days when 1 pilot will staff it? So 2 days are Red because of 1 trip? How does this even make sense? In order to drop 1 red eye on a Monday, you have to have a green day on Tuesday?
So all they have to do now is set that level 1 pilot below the actual reserve staffing. Now everything is 75% green by 1 pilot when going into DOT, which is compliant with the contract. DOT opens and as soon as 1 drop or swap goes through, its black or red again. And now we are all stuck again for the month.
Am I missing something or is this another huge loophole that a 4th grader could exploit if they were running staffing??
The arbitration was about the company changing the reserve staffing requirements after DOT opens, in order to make everything red. But if they simply make 75% green by 1 going into DOT, how does this really help anyone?
Its a joke, it really is. DFW has days of 18 FOs required for reserve coverage, we have 19 going into DOT, 1 drop and then BAM, its black and nothing can be done. 1 day has 2 FOs required for reserve in DFW. How do you have 18 required 1 day and then 2 the next? And if 2 is only required, why do we build schedules with 17 FOs having reserve that day? Those should not even have been built into the schedule if only 2 FOs are required per the company, make those days off on the schedule bid.
Also, *** do Red Eyes count on 2 days when 1 pilot will staff it? So 2 days are Red because of 1 trip? How does this even make sense? In order to drop 1 red eye on a Monday, you have to have a green day on Tuesday?
06-24-2014, 05:17 PM
#7507
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
So all they have to do now is set that level 1 pilot below the actual reserve staffing. Now everything is 75% green by 1 pilot when going into DOT, which is compliant with the contract...
Am I missing something or is this another huge loophole that a 4th grader could exploit if they were running staffing??
Say the company sets the required reserves so that the entire month is RED. MEC calls the company and says "Hey, we are above 25% red days." The company lowers threshold so that only one day turns green by one pilot. Are they in compliance with the CBA? I think they are.
If the number of red
days in a bid month exceeds 25 percent in any one category/
domicile, the Company will decrease the minimum required
reserve coverage threshold to allow for the approval of a greater
number of net credit loss transactions.
days in a bid month exceeds 25 percent in any one category/
domicile, the Company will decrease the minimum required
reserve coverage threshold to allow for the approval of a greater
number of net credit loss transactions.
06-24-2014, 05:57 PM
#7508
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A319/321 FO
Posts: 316
I don't have time for a lengthy post to address each issue from the above three posts...
However, I recommend a careful reading of both the pertinent sections of the CBA as well as the entire document of the Red/Green award.
The 'snapshot' has to be taken before IOT, not DOT; so the idea is that there is a "feeding frenzy" during IOT where many of the open trips are picked up by pilots. Ideally, that means when a day - for example - has 5 reserves available, 3 required, and 2 open turn trips (making it black during IOT).. then two pilots come along during IOT and pick up those turns.. Then you still have five reserves on that day, three required, and now the system will allow for 2 "drop" requests for turns on that day as soon as DOT opens and as well for the rest of the month all else being equal (such as a reserve moving that day for another). No longer can the company increase that required reserve level to 4 or higher during normal operations.
However, I recommend a careful reading of both the pertinent sections of the CBA as well as the entire document of the Red/Green award.
The 'snapshot' has to be taken before IOT, not DOT; so the idea is that there is a "feeding frenzy" during IOT where many of the open trips are picked up by pilots. Ideally, that means when a day - for example - has 5 reserves available, 3 required, and 2 open turn trips (making it black during IOT).. then two pilots come along during IOT and pick up those turns.. Then you still have five reserves on that day, three required, and now the system will allow for 2 "drop" requests for turns on that day as soon as DOT opens and as well for the rest of the month all else being equal (such as a reserve moving that day for another). No longer can the company increase that required reserve level to 4 or higher during normal operations.
06-24-2014, 06:16 PM
#7509
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 38
My app ( short form) I submitted last October was no longer in the system, so I reapplied and filled a long app and got the assessment email. I went to the job fair in FLL. Just to clarify I did not receive the long app by email, I got it right when I created the new profile.
I know the application process is changing so I just wanted to know if it happened to anybody else. Thank you
I know the application process is changing so I just wanted to know if it happened to anybody else. Thank you
06-24-2014, 06:35 PM
#7510
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
I don't have time for a lengthy post to address each issue from the above three posts...
However, I recommend a careful reading of both the pertinent sections of the CBA as well as the entire document of the Red/Green award.
The 'snapshot' has to be taken before IOT, not DOT; so the idea is that there is a "feeding frenzy" during IOT where many of the open trips are picked up by pilots. Ideally, that means when a day - for example - has 5 reserves available, 3 required, and 2 open turn trips (making it black during IOT).. then two pilots come along during IOT and pick up those turns.. Then you still have five reserves on that day, three required, and now the system will allow for 2 "drop" requests for turns on that day as soon as DOT opens and as well for the rest of the month all else being equal (such as a reserve moving that day for another). No longer can the company increase that required reserve level to 4 or higher during normal operations.
However, I recommend a careful reading of both the pertinent sections of the CBA as well as the entire document of the Red/Green award.
The 'snapshot' has to be taken before IOT, not DOT; so the idea is that there is a "feeding frenzy" during IOT where many of the open trips are picked up by pilots. Ideally, that means when a day - for example - has 5 reserves available, 3 required, and 2 open turn trips (making it black during IOT).. then two pilots come along during IOT and pick up those turns.. Then you still have five reserves on that day, three required, and now the system will allow for 2 "drop" requests for turns on that day as soon as DOT opens and as well for the rest of the month all else being equal (such as a reserve moving that day for another). No longer can the company increase that required reserve level to 4 or higher during normal operations.
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