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07-10-2009, 09:59 AM
#711
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Only the more to stick it to 'em...Can't wait til Nov. I hope everyone has the dates.
07-10-2009, 10:26 AM
#712
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I thought they were already asking from the top for a 3 mo voluntary LOA. (SEP-OCT-NOV) i guess. Anyone knows anything about this. I know Spirit has done this in the past.
07-11-2009, 01:27 AM
#713
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Can anyone else confirm or deny a previous post about recalled pilots going back to work only to be slapped in the face with the news that they will have a "new date of hire." To clarify, someone else posted that company told all of the recalled pilots who went back in September that their new date of hire would be 09/2009 even if they were hired in 11/2008. Is this true? *** over? It's not like we quit! 
07-11-2009, 01:43 AM
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They are taking back the longevity that we all accrued while on furlough. So, however much time you had left on probation when u were furloughed will also be the amount of time you will have to be on first year pay when u return. They cannot change your date of hire, that is what it is, but they will adjust your longevity date do make up for the time on furlough.
FWIW, the union is going to fight this, and if the company doesn't give I believe this will go to the top of the arbitration list.
FWIW, the union is going to fight this, and if the company doesn't give I believe this will go to the top of the arbitration list.
07-11-2009, 04:57 AM
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Our contract does not mention anything about NOT accruing longevity or accruing.
So...
DOH JAN08 / FUR SEP09 = 8 MONTHS @ $40.00 hr
RECALLED MAY09 @ $51.96 hr (pay back in process, 4 payments of $216.00)
+ 4 MONTHS @ $40.00 hr = SEP09 (new longevity date) THEN we are going to get our SECOND year pay.
IT TOOK 3 MONTHS FOR OUR HR/CREW-PAY/ INCOMPETENT DEP TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
Even after PO and MA on our recall class INFRONT of OUR MEC told us we were to be paid training pay, in my case 2 year FO pay $51.96.
A-319 FO = $3,200 a month take home. NOW
A-319 FO = $2,440 a month take home. NEW
***
Why can't we (ALPA) buy time on tv to tell our side of the story, like CEO's do.
(GOD BLESS OUR PATIENCE)
So...
DOH JAN08 / FUR SEP09 = 8 MONTHS @ $40.00 hr
RECALLED MAY09 @ $51.96 hr (pay back in process, 4 payments of $216.00)
+ 4 MONTHS @ $40.00 hr = SEP09 (new longevity date) THEN we are going to get our SECOND year pay.
IT TOOK 3 MONTHS FOR OUR HR/CREW-PAY/ INCOMPETENT DEP TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
Even after PO and MA on our recall class INFRONT of OUR MEC told us we were to be paid training pay, in my case 2 year FO pay $51.96.
A-319 FO = $3,200 a month take home. NOW
A-319 FO = $2,440 a month take home. NEW
***
Why can't we (ALPA) buy time on tv to tell our side of the story, like CEO's do.
(GOD BLESS OUR PATIENCE)
07-11-2009, 05:13 AM
#716
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They are taking back the longevity that we all accrued while on furlough. So, however much time you had left on probation when u were furloughed will also be the amount of time you will have to be on first year pay when u return. They cannot change your date of hire, that is what it is, but they will adjust your longevity date do make up for the time on furlough.
FWIW, the union is going to fight this, and if the company doesn't give I believe this will go to the top of the arbitration list.
FWIW, the union is going to fight this, and if the company doesn't give I believe this will go to the top of the arbitration list.
07-11-2009, 09:27 AM
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They are taking back the longevity that we all accrued while on furlough. So, however much time you had left on probation when u were furloughed will also be the amount of time you will have to be on first year pay when u return. They cannot change your date of hire, that is what it is, but they will adjust your longevity date do make up for the time on furlough.
FWIW, the union is going to fight this, and if the company doesn't give I believe this will go to the top of the arbitration list.
FWIW, the union is going to fight this, and if the company doesn't give I believe this will go to the top of the arbitration list.
I don't think the union is going to win this one. I don't know of any contracts that have 'longevity' accrual during a furlough. 'Seniority' (date of hire) still accrues, but 'longevity' does not. If it did, we wouldn't need both terms, there would be no difference between them. I seem to recall some carrier made a deal to give furloughees their longevity as a side letter or something (maybe united?). Our only hope is that they try to use "past practice" and say that when Spirit furloughed before, they let everyone keep their longevity.
In sec 2 of our contract, longevity is defined as "that period of time commencing on a pilot's date of hire and continuing while in active service of the company except as otherwise provided for in this agreement."
"In active service" is where they get us.
I think it will be an uphill battle.
07-11-2009, 10:06 AM
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I don't think the union is going to win this one. I don't know of any contracts that have 'longevity' accrual during a furlough. 'Seniority' (date of hire) still accrues, but 'longevity' does not. If it did, we wouldn't need both terms, there would be no difference between them. I seem to recall some carrier made a deal to give furloughees their longevity as a side letter or something (maybe united?). Our only hope is that they try to use "past practice" and say that when Spirit furloughed before, they let everyone keep their longevity.
In sec 2 of our contract, longevity is defined as "that period of time commencing on a pilot's date of hire and continuing while in active service of the company except as otherwise provided for in this agreement."
"In active service" is where they get us.
I think it will be an uphill battle.
In sec 2 of our contract, longevity is defined as "that period of time commencing on a pilot's date of hire and continuing while in active service of the company except as otherwise provided for in this agreement."
"In active service" is where they get us.
I think it will be an uphill battle.
07-11-2009, 11:53 AM
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Position: A320 FO
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Anyone hear anything about the negotiations last week? It's unusual that no emails have been sent out.
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