Spirit of NKS
03-28-2014, 12:04 PM
#7141
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
vl782
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Hey man I got your msg, for some reason I can't reply with the iPhone, it just crashes. Anyway....
Lines aren't very commutable, DFW, most, not all, are early shows 4 days late finishes, some are turns follow by 3 or 4 day....I plan, since I commute, 2-3 nights in a hotel at DFW ($30-$40/nt)
The new FAA rules, plus our contract plus our company has made things a little more difficult to move around, trips aren't very efficient, long overnights, etc.
Lines average 73-83 credit, 14-17 days off. Swapping/dropping it's very difficult, it can be done but not as easy as last few years.
Line conflict is something we all rely on to up the credit and gain time off.
I don't know about ORD, I think that's what's you were asking about, I know hotels may be more expensive, etc. we have plenty of pilots here that can chime in...best of luck and welcome to the salt mine.
Hey man I got your msg, for some reason I can't reply with the iPhone, it just crashes. Anyway....
Lines aren't very commutable, DFW, most, not all, are early shows 4 days late finishes, some are turns follow by 3 or 4 day....I plan, since I commute, 2-3 nights in a hotel at DFW ($30-$40/nt)
The new FAA rules, plus our contract plus our company has made things a little more difficult to move around, trips aren't very efficient, long overnights, etc.
Lines average 73-83 credit, 14-17 days off. Swapping/dropping it's very difficult, it can be done but not as easy as last few years.
Line conflict is something we all rely on to up the credit and gain time off.
I don't know about ORD, I think that's what's you were asking about, I know hotels may be more expensive, etc. we have plenty of pilots here that can chime in...best of luck and welcome to the salt mine.
03-30-2014, 09:29 PM
#7142
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Seated
Posts: 338
I just watched the walking dead season finale. Rick killed the **** outta that guy!!! Hells yeah!!!
03-31-2014, 07:31 PM
#7143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
As a fairly new guy I can say I'm pretty damn happy with my job here. However, with negotiations around the comer I'm sure there are many areas folks would like to see improvement on and I think we have a lot of leverage at this point in time to achieve many of those things. That in mind, any contract is only as good as its Scope section. With the major airlines already starting their lobby campaign on the pilot shortage (while they have thousands of applicants), the industry is sure to evolve. How? I have no idea, but if the NAI fiasco is any indicator, its that managements are going to get creative. Scope needs improvement IMO. I'm not trying to speak for the negotiating committee. Here is a snippet from the ual cba:
Cabotage (1-C-3-e)
Cabotage is the flying of a foreign-registered aircraft between two cities in the United States without an international destination; e.g., flying just a domestic segment within the U.S.
• Company will join us in actively opposing cabotage (strengthened from previous “not promote”)
• If U.S. laws change to allow cabotage, the Company will not place its code on affected flights.
Not saying we should or shouldn't have this language but the language on code sharing seems very weak in contract '10. We just need to have our eyes and ears open when it comes to scope.
Cabotage (1-C-3-e)
Cabotage is the flying of a foreign-registered aircraft between two cities in the United States without an international destination; e.g., flying just a domestic segment within the U.S.
• Company will join us in actively opposing cabotage (strengthened from previous “not promote”)
• If U.S. laws change to allow cabotage, the Company will not place its code on affected flights.
Not saying we should or shouldn't have this language but the language on code sharing seems very weak in contract '10. We just need to have our eyes and ears open when it comes to scope.
03-31-2014, 08:41 PM
#7144
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
As we approach the right time, I'm optimistic that our union guys will start the q&a emails, road shows and web base info stuff, I think communications is getting much better since the beginning of 2008 (my time here).
Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.
This contract we have, is a good contract, any stupid change in QoL for money it's gonna turn us into an airbus regional (even though it looks like that with the schedules sometimes), but I enjoy my line with plenty of time off.
I wish the negotiations committee goes in with the same attitude or better than before.
And if they have any new blood (post strike) joining the team I hope they have a clue on what went thru to get here, any ideas like (JB, UA,RAH, AE, Pinnacle, AA, VX), (or whatever they are call these days ) like pref bidding, more pay for days off, transition language with days off in the middle, cool uniforms and fancy tablets for my days off or my current pay, any craapp like that, they should be beat with a lead pipe.
No concessions, only improvement on scope, merger, premium pay, AC types, pension, profit sharing, etc.... fine, then I agree with you.
Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.
This contract we have, is a good contract, any stupid change in QoL for money it's gonna turn us into an airbus regional (even though it looks like that with the schedules sometimes), but I enjoy my line with plenty of time off.
I wish the negotiations committee goes in with the same attitude or better than before.
And if they have any new blood (post strike) joining the team I hope they have a clue on what went thru to get here, any ideas like (JB, UA,RAH, AE, Pinnacle, AA, VX), (or whatever they are call these days ) like pref bidding, more pay for days off, transition language with days off in the middle, cool uniforms and fancy tablets for my days off or my current pay, any craapp like that, they should be beat with a lead pipe.
No concessions, only improvement on scope, merger, premium pay, AC types, pension, profit sharing, etc.... fine, then I agree with you.
03-31-2014, 10:19 PM
#7145
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
As we approach the right time, I'm optimistic that our union guys will start the q&a emails, road shows and web base info stuff, I think communications is getting much better since the beginning of 2008 (my time here).
Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.
This contract we have, is a good contract, any stupid change in QoL for money it's gonna turn us into an airbus regional (even though it looks like that with the schedules sometimes), but I enjoy my line with plenty of time off.
I wish the negotiations committee goes in with the same attitude or better than before.
And if they have any new blood (post strike) joining the team I hope they have a clue on what went thru to get here, any ideas like (JB, UA,RAH, AE, Pinnacle, AA, VX), (or whatever they are call these days ) like pref bidding, more pay for days off, transition language with days off in the middle, cool uniforms and fancy tablets for my days off or my current pay, any craapp like that, they should be beat with a lead pipe.
No concessions, only improvement on scope, merger, premium pay, AC types, pension, profit sharing, etc.... fine, then I agree with you.
Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.
This contract we have, is a good contract, any stupid change in QoL for money it's gonna turn us into an airbus regional (even though it looks like that with the schedules sometimes), but I enjoy my line with plenty of time off.
I wish the negotiations committee goes in with the same attitude or better than before.
And if they have any new blood (post strike) joining the team I hope they have a clue on what went thru to get here, any ideas like (JB, UA,RAH, AE, Pinnacle, AA, VX), (or whatever they are call these days ) like pref bidding, more pay for days off, transition language with days off in the middle, cool uniforms and fancy tablets for my days off or my current pay, any craapp like that, they should be beat with a lead pipe.
No concessions, only improvement on scope, merger, premium pay, AC types, pension, profit sharing, etc.... fine, then I agree with you.
Not trying to get into it with you on what you and the other Spirit pilots had to deal with before with Spirit. Trust me, the "new blood" pilots at Spirit understand, based on what every captain tells us daily, and we all hugely respect the stand the pilot group took in walking. That does take a huge sack, no doubting that. You all earned that star on your ALPA pins.
But as a new guy at the airline, it's offensive to suggest that any of us are so stupid or naive to be solely focused on trivial things like "uniforms and tablets" instead of improving or pay, work rules, and overall QOL. We all came here to hopefully make this a strong major that can be a career for us all. Nobody is looking to sell anyone out, especially for "cool uniforms"
03-31-2014, 10:34 PM
#7146
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A-320
Posts: 784
Why don't you volunteer for the job? Seems like you have it figured out where we should be, step on up. It's easy to tell union VOLUNTEERS to "FUPM, get Daddy his money or you get the pipe," it's another thing to step up and volunteer to do it and be willing to take that "pipe beating" that you mentioned for anyone volunteering, especially those who were hired after a pre set date you mentioned.
Not trying to get into it with you on what you and the other Spirit pilots had to deal with before with Spirit. Trust me, the "new blood" pilots at Spirit understand, based on what every captain tells us daily, and we all hugely respect the stand the pilot group took in walking. That does take a huge sack, no doubting that. You all earned that star on your ALPA pins.
But as a new guy at the airline, it's offensive to suggest that any of us are so stupid or naive to be solely focused on trivial things like "uniforms and tablets" instead of improving or pay, work rules, and overall QOL. We all came here to hopefully make this a strong major that can be a career for us all. Nobody is looking to sell anyone out, especially for "cool uniforms"
Not trying to get into it with you on what you and the other Spirit pilots had to deal with before with Spirit. Trust me, the "new blood" pilots at Spirit understand, based on what every captain tells us daily, and we all hugely respect the stand the pilot group took in walking. That does take a huge sack, no doubting that. You all earned that star on your ALPA pins.
But as a new guy at the airline, it's offensive to suggest that any of us are so stupid or naive to be solely focused on trivial things like "uniforms and tablets" instead of improving or pay, work rules, and overall QOL. We all came here to hopefully make this a strong major that can be a career for us all. Nobody is looking to sell anyone out, especially for "cool uniforms"
04-01-2014, 02:21 AM
#7147
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
-Defined contribution of 16%
-Highest Airbus A-320 rates world wide (considering we are most profitable, we shouldn't accept anything less)
-6 days on? Then 6 days off, 5 on 5 off etc...absolute hard min of 5, the way the contract should have been written
-a real ability to drop if RSVs are available
A couple on my list
-Highest Airbus A-320 rates world wide (considering we are most profitable, we shouldn't accept anything less)
-6 days on? Then 6 days off, 5 on 5 off etc...absolute hard min of 5, the way the contract should have been written
-a real ability to drop if RSVs are available
A couple on my list
04-01-2014, 04:16 AM
#7148
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
-Defined contribution of 16%
-Highest Airbus A-320 rates world wide (considering we are most profitable, we shouldn't accept anything less)
-6 days on? Then 6 days off, 5 on 5 off etc...absolute hard min of 5, the way the contract should have been written
-a real ability to drop if RSVs are available
A couple on my list
-Highest Airbus A-320 rates world wide (considering we are most profitable, we shouldn't accept anything less)
-6 days on? Then 6 days off, 5 on 5 off etc...absolute hard min of 5, the way the contract should have been written
-a real ability to drop if RSVs are available
A couple on my list
04-01-2014, 04:18 AM
#7149
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 715
Why don't you volunteer for the job? Seems like you have it figured out where we should be, step on up. It's easy to tell union VOLUNTEERS to "FUPM, get Daddy his money or you get the pipe," it's another thing to step up and volunteer to do it and be willing to take that "pipe beating" that you mentioned for anyone volunteering, especially those who were hired after a pre set date you mentioned.
Not trying to get into it with you on what you and the other Spirit pilots had to deal with before with Spirit. Trust me, the "new blood" pilots at Spirit understand, based on what every captain tells us daily, and we all hugely respect the stand the pilot group took in walking. That does take a huge sack, no doubting that. You all earned that star on your ALPA pins.
But as a new guy at the airline, it's offensive to suggest that any of us are so stupid or naive to be solely focused on trivial things like "uniforms and tablets" instead of improving or pay, work rules, and overall QOL. We all came here to hopefully make this a strong major that can be a career for us all. Nobody is looking to sell anyone out, especially for "cool uniforms"
Not trying to get into it with you on what you and the other Spirit pilots had to deal with before with Spirit. Trust me, the "new blood" pilots at Spirit understand, based on what every captain tells us daily, and we all hugely respect the stand the pilot group took in walking. That does take a huge sack, no doubting that. You all earned that star on your ALPA pins.
But as a new guy at the airline, it's offensive to suggest that any of us are so stupid or naive to be solely focused on trivial things like "uniforms and tablets" instead of improving or pay, work rules, and overall QOL. We all came here to hopefully make this a strong major that can be a career for us all. Nobody is looking to sell anyone out, especially for "cool uniforms"
04-01-2014, 04:18 AM
#7150
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 279
As we approach the right time, I'm optimistic that our union guys will start the q&a emails, road shows and web base info stuff, I think communications is getting much better since the beginning of 2008 (my time here).
Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.
This contract we have, is a good contract, any stupid change in QoL for money it's gonna turn us into an airbus regional (even though it looks like that with the schedules sometimes), but I enjoy my line with plenty of time off.
I wish the negotiations committee goes in with the same attitude or better than before.
And if they have any new blood (post strike) joining the team I hope they have a clue on what went thru to get here, any ideas like (JB, UA,RAH, AE, Pinnacle, AA, VX), (or whatever they are call these days ) like pref bidding, more pay for days off, transition language with days off in the middle, cool uniforms and fancy tablets for my days off or my current pay, any craapp like that, they should be beat with a lead pipe.
No concessions, only improvement on scope, merger, premium pay, AC types, pension, profit sharing, etc.... fine, then I agree with you.
Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.
This contract we have, is a good contract, any stupid change in QoL for money it's gonna turn us into an airbus regional (even though it looks like that with the schedules sometimes), but I enjoy my line with plenty of time off.
I wish the negotiations committee goes in with the same attitude or better than before.
And if they have any new blood (post strike) joining the team I hope they have a clue on what went thru to get here, any ideas like (JB, UA,RAH, AE, Pinnacle, AA, VX), (or whatever they are call these days ) like pref bidding, more pay for days off, transition language with days off in the middle, cool uniforms and fancy tablets for my days off or my current pay, any craapp like that, they should be beat with a lead pipe.
No concessions, only improvement on scope, merger, premium pay, AC types, pension, profit sharing, etc.... fine, then I agree with you.
We give up nothing!!! Southwest +1 pay!
We are stupid to think the company can't afford it!
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