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Plane Ramrod 06-11-2013 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1426278)
Wow. Both of you missed it. Read again.

Hey Farva, do you always attack on the offensive based on play-on-word? Think that plane rod has been rammed a couple times too much.


Au contraire mon frere (Been in the bus too long). I got it, you were poking at Sailor for a typo -probably an auto correct. Yes, when I attack, its on the offensive. Is there another way to attack?


Oh, and since we are playing the spelling / grammar game... here -> '
There is the apostrophe I owe you for "its" instead of "it's" above. Saved you a post kid. You're welcome!

Normann 06-11-2013 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 1426280)
I really do love this airline. It seems like every time I pass the Spirit check in desks in ORD at T3 to get thru KCM for my commute, there's ALWAYS at least one passenger losing their **** over fees. "WHAT DO YOU MEAN $100!?! IT'S A CARRY ON!:mad:"

I just wanna yell at them, "Don't waste your breath buddy, you'll be back again next month, because it'll still be the cheapest ticket in town!" Especially when the passengers are seriously so ignorant, that they still end up paying similar to what the LCC's are charging for tickets.


Keep on keeping on Spirit :cool:

I don't know about ORD but in FLL last time my wife had a paying ticket we got stopped in the TSA line by a Spirit agent who checked her ticket. The agent reminded us that we will have to pay $100 for that carry on she was pulling. I told her she was with me but she kept arguing. She was definitely persistent until I started puling her bag too. Her only purpose was to remind people about the fee. This was back when the fee was introduced.

I am sure people are reminded at check in, yet there is always a passenger who wants to pull a quick one. I just saw one in DFW. But even those have a way out. They can call a number and pay over the phone before boarding and pay like $40. As long they have time.

ShyGuy 06-11-2013 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 1426320)
Au contraire mon frere (Been in the bus too long). I got it, you were poking at Sailor for a typo -probably an auto correct. Yes, when I attack, its on the offensive. Is there another way to attack?


Oh, and since we are playing the spelling / grammar game... here -> '
There is the apostrophe I owe you for "its" instead of "it's" above. Saved you a post kid. You're welcome!

So a clear joke on a spelling error leads you to attack with Spirit's margins as industry leading? Who gives two craps about Spirit margins? Where does that even come into the conversation? Why do you "3" pilots consistently use Spirit metrics in every argument, when it's totally irrelevant?

vilcas 06-11-2013 07:42 AM

I wish people would do the math on the LCC. If you really have to get there the majors are better since their route structure is more extensive and they can reroute you lots of different ways. So if delta is 300 and spirit is 280 delta should be the obvious choice but the average pleasure traveler doesn't get their and yells at the agents about how they really have to get to their wedding that they will miss because the weather canceled one of only three flights to get their in the LCC of their choice.

block30 06-11-2013 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1426387)
I wish people would do the math on the LCC. If you really have to get there the majors are better since their route structure is more extensive and they can reroute you lots of different ways. So if delta is 300 and spirit is 280 delta should be the obvious choice but the average pleasure traveler doesn't get their and yells at the agents about how they really have to get to their wedding that they will miss because the weather canceled one of only three flights to get their in the LCC of their choice.

There has got to be an LCC merger brewing right now....that'll expand the network for that stranded pax. But seriously, I bet there is another merger in the works, and it will be at the LCC level.

Sailor 06-11-2013 08:23 AM


I wish people would do the math on the LCC. If you really have to get there the majors are better since their route structure is more extensive and they can reroute you lots of different ways. So if delta is 300 and spirit is 280 delta should be the obvious choice but the average pleasure traveler doesn't get their and yells at the agents about how they really have to get to their wedding that they will miss because the weather canceled one of only three flights to get their in the LCC of their choice.
It's a weird thing when a passenger buy a tickets.
To give you an example, a few years back, people would pay $40 less to fly ORD-CLE-MIA (google the distance) on a erj45 vs AA ORD-MIA, that was and is still common.

LCC's are attractive to a lot of passengers, JB, NK, VX and oh I forgot SW. They all offer a service for less than the majors -legacy-, and sometimes a lot less.

Many times the math works for the people to buy tickets on LCC's and it shows that way , since all of these LCC are successfully working their routes.

I agree with you about frequency, but most today do have a way to re-route you and non of these LCC will leave you behind with your wedding dress because of a weight limitation -carrying extra fuel for weather-, you are aware of the smaller jets that fly for the LEGACY's?, yeah the leaving you behind happens everywhere, and weather also affect the LEGACYs, when they cancel for weather everyone knows.

Plane Ramrod 06-11-2013 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1426358)
Why do you "3" pilots consistently use Spirit metrics in every argument, when it's totally irrelevant?

It's not irrelevant. That is where my paycheck comes from.
To bust on someone for a missing coma is petty, and completely lacking comedic value.
I'm betting you are one of those "YOU'RE ON GUARD!!!!!!!" knobs.

ShyGuy 06-11-2013 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 1426418)
It's not irrelevant. That is where my paycheck comes from.
To bust on someone for a missing coma is petty, and completely lacking comedic value.
I'm betting you are one of those "YOU'RE ON GUARD!!!!!!!" knobs.

What you wrote was petty, because you made it NK vs VX (yet again). Your post wasn't funny in any way, it was just stupid. And no, I'm not a guard nazi. Unlike quite a few pilots out there, I keep this job simple.

labbats 06-11-2013 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1426407)
There has got to be an LCC merger brewing right now....that'll expand the network for that stranded pax. But seriously, I bet there is another merger in the works, and it will be at the LCC level.

Just because two airlines have lower fares and less frills doesn't mean they will merge. Allegiant is small city only, Spirit is large city only. No overlap. Frontier is trying everything it can to compete, but I think a merger with them is equally unlikely. Why merge with them? To get Denver gates? To get a foothold in Trenton? None of this makes sense. Mergers are almost always bad for pilots anyways.

Left Handed 06-11-2013 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by atooraya (Post 1426280)
I really do love this airline. It seems like every time I pass the Spirit check in desks in ORD at T3 to get thru KCM for my commute, there's ALWAYS at least one passenger losing their **** over fees. "WHAT DO YOU MEAN $100!?! IT'S A CARRY ON!:mad:"

I just wanna yell at them, "Don't waste your breath buddy, you'll be back again next month, because it'll still be the cheapest ticket in town!" Especially when the passengers are seriously so ignorant, that they still end up paying similar to what the LCC's are charging for tickets.


Keep on keeping on Spirit :cool:


Originally Posted by Normann (Post 1426324)
I don't know about ORD but in FLL last time my wife had a paying ticket we got stopped in the TSA line by a Spirit agent who checked her ticket. The agent reminded us that we will have to pay $100 for that carry on she was pulling. I told her she was with me but she kept arguing. She was definitely persistent until I started puling her bag too. Her only purpose was to remind people about the fee. This was back when the fee was introduced.

I am sure people are reminded at check in, yet there is always a passenger who wants to pull a quick one. I just saw one in DFW. But even those have a way out. They can call a number and pay over the phone before boarding and pay like $40. As long they have time.

The problem here is that on the Spirit website, you can't proceed without acknowledging the fees. But on third party websites, there is only a small warning in the corner somewhere saying you need to look at the individual airline's web page to be aware of the fees, and nobody bothers to do that. I will tell you I had a passenger on the other day that said she didn't sympathize with the complainers because if you pay attention, there are no surprises. She knew exactly what she was paying, and loved Spirit for being half of what Delta was.


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